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		<title>By: Rev.charls bolts.</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2003/07/30/even-more-on-terrorist-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-375</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev.charls bolts.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2004 00:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>christians@charisma.org
christian@charisma: is  an  organisation ,with the optimun objective  of bringing youths up in God fearing way and help the poor among the society in other to reduce crimes and violent among youths  around the world.
   We are seriousely focused in africa in other to reduce the crime in the african states ,this organisation was founded in early days of 1997 by three[3}noble men .
 ...........Rev.DrEmmanuel Nillson
............Rev.micheal tomson,
............Rev.Donald Eric of England,  [ 1997]
This organisation was seriousely estabilished and settledfully in the western part of africa in 29/oct/1997.Since then the organisation have been working threemendiouselyto meet up with their objectives and strongly existing to date.
 We are not trying to create awareness or advertising but we are only pleading rease some funds which will encourage us to reach and get to our targets.
   Right now we are seriousely have alot of work at hand which we have being working although we are short of funds that will enable us finish up some of the projects.
ACHIEVMENTS::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
[1998]=PROJECT;SHARING OF CLOTHS AND FOODS TO THE LESS PREVILLAGED IN THE SOCIETY.
[1999]=PROJECTS;CONSTANT VISITING OF HOSPITALIZIED AND SHARING OF DRUGS TO THE  HOSPITALS FOR THE LESS PREVILLAGED ONCES AMONG THEN.
[2000]=PROJECT;EXTESSION AND CARRINGOUT EVANGELISM TO SOME OF WEST AFRICAN COUNTRIES.
[2001]=CONTINIOUS TO CHRISTIANS AND NON CHRISTIAN YOUTHS ,COODINATING SEMMINAS AND SERIOUS COUNCILING FOR THEN ON THE RULE OF LIFE.
[2002]=PROJECT;WRITING AND PRINTING OF CHRISTIANS AND COUNCILING HAND BOOKS AND GIVE OUT FREE ,TEACHING ON BIBLE THE WORD OF LIFE TO ALL PEOPLE.
So these are our archievements so far and still have alot to attend , so we appealing if u know what u can do do to help move the organisation forward u please do cos we are seriousely working to restore the people inneed.
Mostly we need finance and good advise and also encouragements from you to enable us carry on.
  :::::::::::::[PROJECTS AT HAND]
WE ARE BUILDING , REHABILITATION HOME IN OTHER TO REDUCE THE COST AND TOOMUCH EXPENDITURE OF SHARING OUT DRUGS AND OTHERS FOR US ,WE HAVE SPEND MUCH.THIS IS TO ENABLE US TO BE TAKING PROPER CARE OF MENTAL,DISABLE,AND TEACH SOME MINOR HAND WORKS TO THE JOBLESS IN THE SOCIETY WHICH WILL HELP THEN TO MOVE AHEAD.
                                                 THANKS 
                                        REV.DR CHARLS  BOLTS. 
                                                  TEACHING,DPT:DIRECTOR
                                                   CHRISTIANS@CHARISMA.ORG
OFFICE:ADDRESS;
22 ZIKS AVENUE,
AWKA ANAMBRA
STATE,
P.M.B 989,
ABAGANA NJIKO-
KA [L,G,A  
ANAMBRA STATE
NIGERIA,
WEST /AFRICA.
E-MAIL US,
CHRISTIANS_CHARISMA
@YAHOO.COM
     OR
CHRISTIANS_2003
@YAHOO.COM
PHONE,NUMBER=
2348033725905.+
234+048-572-671.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="mailto:christians@charisma.org">christians@charisma.org</a><br />
christian@charisma: is  an  organisation ,with the optimun objective  of bringing youths up in God fearing way and help the poor among the society in other to reduce crimes and violent among youths  around the world.<br />
   We are seriousely focused in africa in other to reduce the crime in the african states ,this organisation was founded in early days of 1997 by three[3}noble men .<br />
 ...........Rev.DrEmmanuel Nillson<br />
............Rev.micheal tomson,<br />
............Rev.Donald Eric of England,  [ 1997]<br />
This organisation was seriousely estabilished and settledfully in the western part of africa in 29/oct/1997.Since then the organisation have been working threemendiouselyto meet up with their objectives and strongly existing to date.<br />
 We are not trying to create awareness or advertising but we are only pleading rease some funds which will encourage us to reach and get to our targets.<br />
   Right now we are seriousely have alot of work at hand which we have being working although we are short of funds that will enable us finish up some of the projects.<br />
ACHIEVMENTS::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::<br />
[1998]=PROJECT;SHARING OF CLOTHS AND FOODS TO THE LESS PREVILLAGED IN THE SOCIETY.<br />
[1999]=PROJECTS;CONSTANT VISITING OF HOSPITALIZIED AND SHARING OF DRUGS TO THE  HOSPITALS FOR THE LESS PREVILLAGED ONCES AMONG THEN.<br />
[2000]=PROJECT;EXTESSION AND CARRINGOUT EVANGELISM TO SOME OF WEST AFRICAN COUNTRIES.<br />
[2001]=CONTINIOUS TO CHRISTIANS AND NON CHRISTIAN YOUTHS ,COODINATING SEMMINAS AND SERIOUS COUNCILING FOR THEN ON THE RULE OF LIFE.<br />
[2002]=PROJECT;WRITING AND PRINTING OF CHRISTIANS AND COUNCILING HAND BOOKS AND GIVE OUT FREE ,TEACHING ON BIBLE THE WORD OF LIFE TO ALL PEOPLE.<br />
So these are our archievements so far and still have alot to attend , so we appealing if u know what u can do do to help move the organisation forward u please do cos we are seriousely working to restore the people inneed.<br />
Mostly we need finance and good advise and also encouragements from you to enable us carry on.<br />
  :::::::::::::[PROJECTS AT HAND]<br />
WE ARE BUILDING , REHABILITATION HOME IN OTHER TO REDUCE THE COST AND TOOMUCH EXPENDITURE OF SHARING OUT DRUGS AND OTHERS FOR US ,WE HAVE SPEND MUCH.THIS IS TO ENABLE US TO BE TAKING PROPER CARE OF MENTAL,DISABLE,AND TEACH SOME MINOR HAND WORKS TO THE JOBLESS IN THE SOCIETY WHICH WILL HELP THEN TO MOVE AHEAD.<br />
                                                 THANKS<br />
                                        REV.DR CHARLS  BOLTS.<br />
                                                  TEACHING,DPT:DIRECTOR<br />
                                                   <a href="mailto:CHRISTIANS@CHARISMA.ORG">CHRISTIANS@CHARISMA.ORG</a><br />
OFFICE:ADDRESS;<br />
22 ZIKS AVENUE,<br />
AWKA ANAMBRA<br />
STATE,<br />
P.M.B 989,<br />
ABAGANA NJIKO-<br />
KA [L,G,A<br />
ANAMBRA STATE<br />
NIGERIA,<br />
WEST /AFRICA.<br />
E-MAIL US,<br />
CHRISTIANS_CHARISMA<br />
@YAHOO.COM<br />
     OR<br />
CHRISTIANS_2003<br />
@YAHOO.COM<br />
PHONE,NUMBER=<br />
2348033725905.+<br />
234+048-572-671.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Angeles</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2003/07/30/even-more-on-terrorist-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-374</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross Angeles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:14:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d bet, er I mean invest, in the likelihood that Jesus isn&#039;t ever coming back - I&#039;d also buy 200 shares of &quot;Sky deities who are obsessed with people kissing their asses on the weekend really suck&quot;. I&#039;d make millions!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d bet, er I mean invest, in the likelihood that Jesus isn&#8217;t ever coming back &#8211; I&#8217;d also buy 200 shares of &#8220;Sky deities who are obsessed with people kissing their asses on the weekend really suck&#8221;. I&#8217;d make millions!</p>
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		<title>By: Shag from Brookline</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2003/07/30/even-more-on-terrorist-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-373</link>
		<dc:creator>Shag from Brookline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2003 11:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So &quot;shorting&quot; America may have some benefits?  To investors?  To America?  To the world?  To the terrorists?  How about a futures market for religion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So &#8220;shorting&#8221; America may have some benefits?  To investors?  To America?  To the world?  To the terrorists?  How about a futures market for religion?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2003/07/30/even-more-on-terrorist-futures/comment-page-1/#comment-372</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2003 22:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But in the Middle East, many of the figures who would have driven the pricing of PAM securities are not what international relations types refer to as &quot;rational actors.&quot; Suicide bombers almost by definition are irrational, or at least not governed by a rationality with which we are familiar. We routinely refer to the main players with terms that place them beyond the field of reason?Saddam Hussein is &quot;the Butcher of Baghdad,&quot; Osama Bin Laden is a &quot;madman.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Okay define irrational.

That is the problem economics has struggled with for a long time.  It is a mistake, I think to think that because another person does not share your goals or even your views that they are &quot;irrational&quot;.  Further, even if the suicide bomber is himself irrational, are those who &quot;control&quot; and direct the suicide bomber irrational?

&lt;i&gt;By contrast, while Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan may be inscrutable, and many executives engage in short-term behavior that causes long-term damage, almost all market movers?chief executives like Warren Buffett and Michael Dell, mutual fund managers?collectively exhibit a far higher level of rationality than, say, Mullah Omar.&lt;/i&gt;

Again, your are using your own definition of rationality.  And it begs the question again of what is irrationality?

Acting randomly?  Acting in a self-destructive manner?  Was Mullah Omar or Saddam self-destructive?  Is it irrational to take big risks?  What if you like taking big risks?

Here is one to consider:  Are drug addicts irrational or have their objectives been changed by their drug abuse?  If they are irrational then you cannot predict their behavior.  However, I think we can predict their behavior:  they will get high and in such pursuit will forgo other consumption (i.e., food, housing, etc.).

&lt;i&gt;Another potential problem was that the market might defeat itself. The Pentagon wanted to create the PAM in order to gather information it could use to stop terrorism and reduce instability. If it saw, say, that people were betting heavily on the assassination of Iraq&#039;s interim president, the Defense Department would start searching for some assassination plot in the hopes of rooting it out. But preventing the assassination would cause all the people who bet on it to lose their money. Insofar as the market helped the United States stabilize the region and prevent terror, investors would suffer. The more it succeeded on policy, the more it would fail as a market, and the sooner it would collapse.&lt;/i&gt;

Maybe, but there are also those who bet that the assassination wont happen or will be foiled.  The more people bet on something happeneing the higher the payoff will have to be that it wont happen to get people to bet with you.

For example:  I suck at basketball...I mean I really, really suck.  Now, suppose I was to play one-on-one with Micheal Jordan.

Who would guess would win?

Now would you be willing to bet $10 for a $20 payoff that I&#039;d win?  No?  How shocking.

How about $1 for a $10,000 payoff?  Oh, you might be willing to &quot;waste a buck...maybe Steve&#039;ll get lucky or Micheal Jordan&#039;s legs will fall off.&quot;

&lt;i&gt;Even in their support of this idea, Wired magazine had to admit that predictive markets aren&#039;t perfect&lt;/i&gt;

Whoever said this would be perfect or even work.  My understanding it was to be an experiment.

&lt;i&gt;Setting up intelligence analysis as a game will only result in people making predictions based on spotting trends, when they should only be making predictions based on intelligence. &lt;/i&gt;

I hate to break it to you, but one of the key tools in intelligence is &lt;i&gt;Game Theory&lt;/i&gt; which assumes that the actors are hyper-rational.  Also, spotting a trend should be part of intelligence work, and knowing that trends can change should be as well.

Basically the logic here also argues we shouldn&#039;t be wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on drug research.  Most research programs will yeild little or nothing.  Think of the good we could do with that money if spent elsewhere!  Of course, we&#039;ll have no more new drugs...and as a result people will die...but at least we&#039;ll be using the money well.  Or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But in the Middle East, many of the figures who would have driven the pricing of PAM securities are not what international relations types refer to as &#8220;rational actors.&#8221; Suicide bombers almost by definition are irrational, or at least not governed by a rationality with which we are familiar. We routinely refer to the main players with terms that place them beyond the field of reason?Saddam Hussein is &#8220;the Butcher of Baghdad,&#8221; Osama Bin Laden is a &#8220;madman.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Okay define irrational.</p>
<p>That is the problem economics has struggled with for a long time.  It is a mistake, I think to think that because another person does not share your goals or even your views that they are &#8220;irrational&#8221;.  Further, even if the suicide bomber is himself irrational, are those who &#8220;control&#8221; and direct the suicide bomber irrational?</p>
<p><i>By contrast, while Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan may be inscrutable, and many executives engage in short-term behavior that causes long-term damage, almost all market movers?chief executives like Warren Buffett and Michael Dell, mutual fund managers?collectively exhibit a far higher level of rationality than, say, Mullah Omar.</i></p>
<p>Again, your are using your own definition of rationality.  And it begs the question again of what is irrationality?</p>
<p>Acting randomly?  Acting in a self-destructive manner?  Was Mullah Omar or Saddam self-destructive?  Is it irrational to take big risks?  What if you like taking big risks?</p>
<p>Here is one to consider:  Are drug addicts irrational or have their objectives been changed by their drug abuse?  If they are irrational then you cannot predict their behavior.  However, I think we can predict their behavior:  they will get high and in such pursuit will forgo other consumption (i.e., food, housing, etc.).</p>
<p><i>Another potential problem was that the market might defeat itself. The Pentagon wanted to create the PAM in order to gather information it could use to stop terrorism and reduce instability. If it saw, say, that people were betting heavily on the assassination of Iraq&#8217;s interim president, the Defense Department would start searching for some assassination plot in the hopes of rooting it out. But preventing the assassination would cause all the people who bet on it to lose their money. Insofar as the market helped the United States stabilize the region and prevent terror, investors would suffer. The more it succeeded on policy, the more it would fail as a market, and the sooner it would collapse.</i></p>
<p>Maybe, but there are also those who bet that the assassination wont happen or will be foiled.  The more people bet on something happeneing the higher the payoff will have to be that it wont happen to get people to bet with you.</p>
<p>For example:  I suck at basketball&#8230;I mean I really, really suck.  Now, suppose I was to play one-on-one with Micheal Jordan.</p>
<p>Who would guess would win?</p>
<p>Now would you be willing to bet $10 for a $20 payoff that I&#8217;d win?  No?  How shocking.</p>
<p>How about $1 for a $10,000 payoff?  Oh, you might be willing to &#8220;waste a buck&#8230;maybe Steve&#8217;ll get lucky or Micheal Jordan&#8217;s legs will fall off.&#8221;</p>
<p><i>Even in their support of this idea, Wired magazine had to admit that predictive markets aren&#8217;t perfect</i></p>
<p>Whoever said this would be perfect or even work.  My understanding it was to be an experiment.</p>
<p><i>Setting up intelligence analysis as a game will only result in people making predictions based on spotting trends, when they should only be making predictions based on intelligence. </i></p>
<p>I hate to break it to you, but one of the key tools in intelligence is <i>Game Theory</i> which assumes that the actors are hyper-rational.  Also, spotting a trend should be part of intelligence work, and knowing that trends can change should be as well.</p>
<p>Basically the logic here also argues we shouldn&#8217;t be wasting hundreds of millions of dollars on drug research.  Most research programs will yeild little or nothing.  Think of the good we could do with that money if spent elsewhere!  Of course, we&#8217;ll have no more new drugs&#8230;and as a result people will die&#8230;but at least we&#8217;ll be using the money well.  Or not.</p>
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