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	<title>Comments on: More on the Bob Hope protest</title>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2003/08/29/more-on-the-bob-hope-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-570</link>
		<dc:creator>josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2003 02:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>could somebody with some digital wizardry change the little girl's sign to "GOP hates america" and begin wide distribution, please?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could somebody with some digital wizardry change the little girl&#8217;s sign to &#8220;GOP hates america&#8221; and begin wide distribution, please?</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2003/08/29/more-on-the-bob-hope-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-569</link>
		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 23:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The threat of fundamentalism-out-of-control is not Fred Phelps' blind hatred of everything; it's in the other direction, with a co-option of patriotic symbols. It's more likely to arise from 'hate the sin, love the sinner' philosophy than from 'God hates fags.'"

assuming phelp's is right of the mainstream, the majority of christians still don't live according to "hate the sin, love the sinner"... when was the last time you heard a fundamentalist preacher say, "homosexuals, come to our church so you can be one with God.  we may not like what you do, but we love you because Jesus loves you?"  Never! you saw the absolute uproar when homosexuals were given a constitutional right to have sex in their beds or when, god forbid, alabama adheres to separation of church and state.  it's naive to think most people can separate the act from the actor or one's beliefs from objectivity... people love hate speech if it validates their beliefs-- rush limbaugh has a HUGE following</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The threat of fundamentalism-out-of-control is not Fred Phelps&#8217; blind hatred of everything; it&#8217;s in the other direction, with a co-option of patriotic symbols. It&#8217;s more likely to arise from &#8216;hate the sin, love the sinner&#8217; philosophy than from &#8216;God hates fags.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>assuming phelp&#8217;s is right of the mainstream, the majority of christians still don&#8217;t live according to &#8220;hate the sin, love the sinner&#8221;&#8230; when was the last time you heard a fundamentalist preacher say, &#8220;homosexuals, come to our church so you can be one with God.  we may not like what you do, but we love you because Jesus loves you?&#8221;  Never! you saw the absolute uproar when homosexuals were given a constitutional right to have sex in their beds or when, god forbid, alabama adheres to separation of church and state.  it&#8217;s naive to think most people can separate the act from the actor or one&#8217;s beliefs from objectivity&#8230; people love hate speech if it validates their beliefs&#8211; rush limbaugh has a HUGE following</p>
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		<title>By: JoeW</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2003/08/29/more-on-the-bob-hope-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-568</link>
		<dc:creator>JoeW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kynn is right about your analogy, I think.  Phelps is way outside the mainstream.  A better metaphor might be vandals who make arson or graffiti (spelling) attacks on abortion clinics.  There is a lot of sympathy for this sort of thing among both fundamentalist protestants and right-wing Catholics.  Yet when you move to the next level, which is the murder of abortion providers, these otherwise normal people have a lot less sympathy.  One of the reasons the ELF still gets sympathy from people is that they have yet to kill anybody.  Sadly, it may only be a matter of time.
I wrote a paper on this a couple of years ago, so I could go on...

You could make a connection between these beliefs and the beliefs of more mainstream Christian Nationalist groups.
After all, if you really belive we're surrounded by demons, governed by a vengeful, bigoted God, and required to guess his will based on a collection of myths, wild tales, lies and gibberish written down over a period of centuries, garbled, embroidered, mutilated and translated through several languages successively, then no one should be surprised when you beat an autistic child to death or picket that sodomite Bob Hope's funeral.  No one should be surprised because anyone who reasons this way is a fucking whistle ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kynn is right about your analogy, I think.  Phelps is way outside the mainstream.  A better metaphor might be vandals who make arson or graffiti (spelling) attacks on abortion clinics.  There is a lot of sympathy for this sort of thing among both fundamentalist protestants and right-wing Catholics.  Yet when you move to the next level, which is the murder of abortion providers, these otherwise normal people have a lot less sympathy.  One of the reasons the ELF still gets sympathy from people is that they have yet to kill anybody.  Sadly, it may only be a matter of time.<br />
I wrote a paper on this a couple of years ago, so I could go on&#8230;</p>
<p>You could make a connection between these beliefs and the beliefs of more mainstream Christian Nationalist groups.<br />
After all, if you really belive we&#8217;re surrounded by demons, governed by a vengeful, bigoted God, and required to guess his will based on a collection of myths, wild tales, lies and gibberish written down over a period of centuries, garbled, embroidered, mutilated and translated through several languages successively, then no one should be surprised when you beat an autistic child to death or picket that sodomite Bob Hope&#8217;s funeral.  No one should be surprised because anyone who reasons this way is a fucking whistle ass.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2003/08/29/more-on-the-bob-hope-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-567</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your site aside, I didn't notice that many people on the left speaking out about the ELF's firebombings. Nobody came out in support, but I think the fact that they were on "our side" made quite a few lefties who hate SUVs bite their tongues. Check out the comments on &lt;a href="http://www.thetalentshow.org/archives/000389.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;this thread&lt;/a&gt; for a good example of what I'm talking about. I'm not saying Pat Robertson is going to start picketing funerals or anything, but I think his outspoken opposition to homosexuality is probably causing him and many other Christian fundamentalist leaders to look the other way rather than call this for what it is, a psychotic and hateful twisting of Christianity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your site aside, I didn&#8217;t notice that many people on the left speaking out about the ELF&#8217;s firebombings. Nobody came out in support, but I think the fact that they were on &#8220;our side&#8221; made quite a few lefties who hate SUVs bite their tongues. Check out the comments on <a href="http://www.thetalentshow.org/archives/000389.html" rel="nofollow">this thread</a> for a good example of what I&#8217;m talking about. I&#8217;m not saying Pat Robertson is going to start picketing funerals or anything, but I think his outspoken opposition to homosexuality is probably causing him and many other Christian fundamentalist leaders to look the other way rather than call this for what it is, a psychotic and hateful twisting of Christianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Kynn Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kynn Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shorter Kynn Bartlett:  Fundies think Phelps is a nutjob, and lefties think ELF are nutjobs, so what point are you trying to make?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shorter Kynn Bartlett:  Fundies think Phelps is a nutjob, and lefties think ELF are nutjobs, so what point are you trying to make?</p>
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		<title>By: Kynn Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kynn Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 20:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;As much as I'd love to think that Rev. Fred Phelps is just a crazy, bigot whose views don't represent mainstream fundamentalist Christianity, the homophobic views of Pat Robertson and others make me think that fundamentalists tacitly approve of the activities of Westboro Baptist Church the same way that many on the left approved of the Earth Liberation Front's Hummer firebombings.&lt;/i&gt;

By the way -- c'mon, that's dorky.  Phelps really is way out of the mainstream.  The majority of fundamentalists think of him as such a non-entity that it's not even funny, and in fact the average extremist protofascist -- the ones I've been ranting about as Nationalistic Christianists -- would very much OBJECT to the notion that "God Hates America."

The threat of fundamentalism-out-of-control is not Fred Phelps' blind hatred of everything; it's in the other direction, with a co-option of patriotic symbols.  It's more likely to arise from "hate the sin, love the sinner" philosophy than from "God hates fags."

Plus, which lefties, exactly, were cheering on ELF?

--Kynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>As much as I&#8217;d love to think that Rev. Fred Phelps is just a crazy, bigot whose views don&#8217;t represent mainstream fundamentalist Christianity, the homophobic views of Pat Robertson and others make me think that fundamentalists tacitly approve of the activities of Westboro Baptist Church the same way that many on the left approved of the Earth Liberation Front&#8217;s Hummer firebombings.</i></p>
<p>By the way &#8212; c&#8217;mon, that&#8217;s dorky.  Phelps really is way out of the mainstream.  The majority of fundamentalists think of him as such a non-entity that it&#8217;s not even funny, and in fact the average extremist protofascist &#8212; the ones I&#8217;ve been ranting about as Nationalistic Christianists &#8212; would very much OBJECT to the notion that &#8220;God Hates America.&#8221;</p>
<p>The threat of fundamentalism-out-of-control is not Fred Phelps&#8217; blind hatred of everything; it&#8217;s in the other direction, with a co-option of patriotic symbols.  It&#8217;s more likely to arise from &#8220;hate the sin, love the sinner&#8221; philosophy than from &#8220;God hates fags.&#8221;</p>
<p>Plus, which lefties, exactly, were cheering on ELF?</p>
<p>&#8211;Kynn</p>
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		<title>By: Kynn Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kynn Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey! Is that little Katie Hanks?

--Kynn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey! Is that little Katie Hanks?</p>
<p>&#8211;Kynn</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2003 19:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think God hates that kid's generic Old Navy T-shirt a little more than America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think God hates that kid&#8217;s generic Old Navy T-shirt a little more than America.</p>
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