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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/05/27/comic-book-environmentalism/#comment-2762</link>
		<author>tom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 19:42:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i've heard a few decent reviews of this movie so far... my curiosity is up... but i'll probably wait till it makes it to t.v. or something before i see it. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;ve heard a few decent reviews of this movie so far&#8230; my curiosity is up&#8230; but i&#8217;ll probably wait till it makes it to t.v. or something before i see it.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/05/27/comic-book-environmentalism/#comment-2761</link>
		<author>greg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 18:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn good point Andrew. There have been a few good episodes of Penn &#038; Teller's Bullshit that touch on the topics you've mentioned. Probably the biggest problem with the environmental movement today is that many seem to loathe the idea of doing a cost-benefit analysis. The fact is, protecting our environment makes sense economically for a variety of reasons, but the key is to come up with good solutions and not just throw money at problems. 

Also, I just heard a review of The Day After Tomorrow and that there's a scene in which Americans are fleeing to Mexico to avoid the "angry weather" and the influx of people becomes so great that Mexico closes their border. Apparently it got a pretty hearty laugh from the audience in L.A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn good point Andrew. There have been a few good episodes of Penn &#038; Teller&#8217;s Bullshit that touch on the topics you&#8217;ve mentioned. Probably the biggest problem with the environmental movement today is that many seem to loathe the idea of doing a cost-benefit analysis. The fact is, protecting our environment makes sense economically for a variety of reasons, but the key is to come up with good solutions and not just throw money at problems. </p>
<p>Also, I just heard a review of The Day After Tomorrow and that there&#8217;s a scene in which Americans are fleeing to Mexico to avoid the &#8220;angry weather&#8221; and the influx of people becomes so great that Mexico closes their border. Apparently it got a pretty hearty laugh from the audience in L.A.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/05/27/comic-book-environmentalism/#comment-2760</link>
		<author>josh</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 15:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i dont know...  i've always sighted captain america when debating the merrits of experimenting on soldiers, the bruce banners increased strength when debating nuclear energy, and daredevil when debating the merits of transporting toxic waste through low income neighborhoods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i dont know&#8230;  i&#8217;ve always sighted captain america when debating the merrits of experimenting on soldiers, the bruce banners increased strength when debating nuclear energy, and daredevil when debating the merits of transporting toxic waste through low income neighborhoods.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/05/27/comic-book-environmentalism/#comment-2759</link>
		<author>Andrew</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 15:32:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think you should tell people to go see the movie and be afraid.  But, if you use the movie as a springboard for logical and sane discussion about the topic, I think it can be benificial.  The problem I see is that most enviornmentalists are actually religious zealots.  They may be willing to turn this into their &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0335345/" rel="nofollow"&gt;The Passion of the Christ&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt; or &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0190524/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Left Behind&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;.

If you were to have a conversation with me about the movie, I would gladly and calmly tell you where it was wrong and where it was right.  From everything I've seen most of it is pretty plausible.  The only things that are outright science fiction would be the flash freezing and the fact that it happend all in a week (the most drastic simulations I've seen give a floor of about 50 years).

Of course enviornmental zealots will start talking about how we need solar power and electic cars and fuel cells and hybrids.  Of course, just manufactering a new car causes as much pollution as driving a regular for 8-12 years, so ditching regular cars for hybrids and electric cars is really not a good idea.  Not to mention that the lead acid batteries in those vehicles are beyond toxic, and they wear out.  And then there are solar panels which also cause tons of enviornmental impact to make and don't even become energy positive until they've been in use for 15 years.

I believe the reason most enviornmentalists are so wacky is that they're more anit-corporate then they are pro-enviornment.  The two best solutions to our energy and pollution crisis are biodiesel and nuclear fission power plants.  We have the technology to start implementing these today and it would solve 90% of our problems.  The downside is that people like exxon and shell would still be in charge of the biodiesel (they are the only ones who have the infastructure to do something like that) and you need big business and the government to build nuclear power.  Of course, that's never the excuses you hear.  It's always biodiesel is still polluting (which is true, although the net CO2 emission is zero, there is still a little NO2) and nuclear reactors have the radioactive waste problem.  Of course neither of the problems they site are actually really bad, and they basically the same problems we have now only orders of magnitude smaller.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you should tell people to go see the movie and be afraid.  But, if you use the movie as a springboard for logical and sane discussion about the topic, I think it can be benificial.  The problem I see is that most enviornmentalists are actually religious zealots.  They may be willing to turn this into their <i><a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0335345/" rel="nofollow">The Passion of the Christ</a></i> or <i><a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0190524/" rel="nofollow">Left Behind</a></i>.</p>
<p>If you were to have a conversation with me about the movie, I would gladly and calmly tell you where it was wrong and where it was right.  From everything I&#8217;ve seen most of it is pretty plausible.  The only things that are outright science fiction would be the flash freezing and the fact that it happend all in a week (the most drastic simulations I&#8217;ve seen give a floor of about 50 years).</p>
<p>Of course enviornmental zealots will start talking about how we need solar power and electic cars and fuel cells and hybrids.  Of course, just manufactering a new car causes as much pollution as driving a regular for 8-12 years, so ditching regular cars for hybrids and electric cars is really not a good idea.  Not to mention that the lead acid batteries in those vehicles are beyond toxic, and they wear out.  And then there are solar panels which also cause tons of enviornmental impact to make and don&#8217;t even become energy positive until they&#8217;ve been in use for 15 years.</p>
<p>I believe the reason most enviornmentalists are so wacky is that they&#8217;re more anit-corporate then they are pro-enviornment.  The two best solutions to our energy and pollution crisis are biodiesel and nuclear fission power plants.  We have the technology to start implementing these today and it would solve 90% of our problems.  The downside is that people like exxon and shell would still be in charge of the biodiesel (they are the only ones who have the infastructure to do something like that) and you need big business and the government to build nuclear power.  Of course, that&#8217;s never the excuses you hear.  It&#8217;s always biodiesel is still polluting (which is true, although the net CO2 emission is zero, there is still a little NO2) and nuclear reactors have the radioactive waste problem.  Of course neither of the problems they site are actually really bad, and they basically the same problems we have now only orders of magnitude smaller.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/05/27/comic-book-environmentalism/#comment-2758</link>
		<author>tom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 01:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"by" not "but"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;by&#8221; not &#8220;but&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/05/27/comic-book-environmentalism/#comment-2757</link>
		<author>tom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 01:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ross- i know all this about Isaac Asimov... i was just making an exagerated point that his books (or the ass-movie this summer) could be used as a warning against robots but some people who misinterpret them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ross- i know all this about Isaac Asimov&#8230; i was just making an exagerated point that his books (or the ass-movie this summer) could be used as a warning against robots but some people who misinterpret them.</p>
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		<title>By: the eligible Ross Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/05/27/comic-book-environmentalism/#comment-2756</link>
		<author>the eligible Ross Lincoln</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 00:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point, but slight bone of contention - 

Isaac Asimov didn't actually warn against Robots - His stories enthusiastically supported human intellect and the idea that machines and especially scientific progress is good for Mankind. 

The book I, Robot isn't about robots destroying mankind for fascist reasons, it's a series of short stories which contain interesting problems all solved intellectually. That movie will suck ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point, but slight bone of contention - </p>
<p>Isaac Asimov didn&#8217;t actually warn against Robots - His stories enthusiastically supported human intellect and the idea that machines and especially scientific progress is good for Mankind. </p>
<p>The book I, Robot isn&#8217;t about robots destroying mankind for fascist reasons, it&#8217;s a series of short stories which contain interesting problems all solved intellectually. That movie will suck ass.</p>
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		<title>By: tom</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/05/27/comic-book-environmentalism/#comment-2755</link>
		<author>tom</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 May 2004 00:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i was really bothered by Moveon's support of this movie.  think of if the case were reversed and say the Right Wing used a movie like "Godsend"
http://imdb.com/title/tt0335121/
to promote their anti-cloning theories.  

some of the best science-fiction stories have their roots in real scientific data, but that doesn't mean that we should start banning the development of robots because of what Isaac Azimov has warned. 

i think it's a bad idea for environmentalists to use The Day After Tommorroww to promote their causes.  the people on the opposite side of the issue already argue that global Warming is Science Fiction- so why should you hold up a sci-fi movie as an example of why we should be worried about it?  a really bad idea. 

maybe Moveon and Al Gore should spend more time trying to get Farrenheit 911 released in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was really bothered by Moveon&#8217;s support of this movie.  think of if the case were reversed and say the Right Wing used a movie like &#8220;Godsend&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0335121/" rel="nofollow">http://imdb.com/title/tt0335121/</a><br />
to promote their anti-cloning theories.  </p>
<p>some of the best science-fiction stories have their roots in real scientific data, but that doesn&#8217;t mean that we should start banning the development of robots because of what Isaac Azimov has warned. </p>
<p>i think it&#8217;s a bad idea for environmentalists to use The Day After Tommorroww to promote their causes.  the people on the opposite side of the issue already argue that global Warming is Science Fiction- so why should you hold up a sci-fi movie as an example of why we should be worried about it?  a really bad idea. </p>
<p>maybe Moveon and Al Gore should spend more time trying to get Farrenheit 911 released in the US.</p>
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