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		<title>By: Michael Pugliese</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Pugliese</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jun 2004 23:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i guess we define &quot;moving to the right&quot; differently as i see him criticising unions that are too corrupt and too much in bed with the corporations they are supposed to be defending their workers from as a pretty progressive point of view.  i think nader would much rather see the iww with the membership numbers the afl-cio has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i guess we define &#8220;moving to the right&#8221; differently as i see him criticising unions that are too corrupt and too much in bed with the corporations they are supposed to be defending their workers from as a pretty progressive point of view.  i think nader would much rather see the iww with the membership numbers the afl-cio has.</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2004 22:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;i think this is a half-assed attempt by pat to get conservatives to cast a protest vote for nader.&lt;/blockquote&gt;It&#039;s not like Nader is being used here. He&#039;s been playing footsie with the right for a while now and this is the latest example. When he throws in some light jabs at unions and immigrants, he knows exactly what he&#039;s doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>i think this is a half-assed attempt by pat to get conservatives to cast a protest vote for nader.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s not like Nader is being used here. He&#8217;s been playing footsie with the right for a while now and this is the latest example. When he throws in some light jabs at unions and immigrants, he knows exactly what he&#8217;s doing.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<description>i read this linked from cursor the other day.

you criticise ralph for criticising the afl-cio?  are they above criticism?  what have they done for their workers lately?  what did they accomplish for the grocery workers here in ca?  i&#039;ll tell you-jack shit.  they get all of the downers of union representation (dues, striking) without any of the perks (constructive barganing, protection).

the afl-cio certainly HAS capitulated to industries that are too happy to take thier concessions and then marginalize them anyway.  and they fully back, pay money to, rally the troops for political candidates that are anti-labor (if not in the us, then certainly abroad) so that at least a republican isnt voted in. 

as far as being anti-immigrant...  um, well, the environmental impact of that many immigrants (legal or illegal) would be pretty devastating.  no doubt ralph should have questioned those numbers pat was throwing at him as these sound a little absurd.  but you&#039;ll notice he did not give pat the &quot;armed servicemen atop the us-mexico border&#039;s fortified wall&quot; answer that the john birch society loves so much.

i think this is a half-assed attempt by pat to get conservatives to cast a protest vote for nader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i read this linked from cursor the other day.</p>
<p>you criticise ralph for criticising the afl-cio?  are they above criticism?  what have they done for their workers lately?  what did they accomplish for the grocery workers here in ca?  i&#8217;ll tell you-jack shit.  they get all of the downers of union representation (dues, striking) without any of the perks (constructive barganing, protection).</p>
<p>the afl-cio certainly HAS capitulated to industries that are too happy to take thier concessions and then marginalize them anyway.  and they fully back, pay money to, rally the troops for political candidates that are anti-labor (if not in the us, then certainly abroad) so that at least a republican isnt voted in. </p>
<p>as far as being anti-immigrant&#8230;  um, well, the environmental impact of that many immigrants (legal or illegal) would be pretty devastating.  no doubt ralph should have questioned those numbers pat was throwing at him as these sound a little absurd.  but you&#8217;ll notice he did not give pat the &#8220;armed servicemen atop the us-mexico border&#8217;s fortified wall&#8221; answer that the john birch society loves so much.</p>
<p>i think this is a half-assed attempt by pat to get conservatives to cast a protest vote for nader.</p>
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