“This is not fun, Paul.”

Thanks to the magic of Tivo, I now get to regularly see Crossfire, one of the only truly “fair and balanced” shows on television. For those of you who didn’t see today’s episode, you missed this awesome exchange :

NOVAK: All right. Readers — readers of the left wing magazine, “The Nation,” might be a little shocked when they see the back page of the current issue. Even the most fanatical Bush haters might be shocked.

Yes, the drawing shows George W. Bush eating a headless child. This is inspired by a 19th century work by Francisco Goya, Saturn Devouring his Children, aimed against the Spanish monarchy.

Sitting at this table, I know how emotional and relentless and mindless is the hatred directed against George W. Bush. But in the spirit of patriotism, this Fourth of July weekend, I wonder, Paul, if you can join me in deploring this treatment of any president of the United States as over the line and unacceptable?

(APPLAUSE)

BEGALA: In the spirit of patriotism, let me support the first amendment, which says the nation shouldn’t be censored by right- wingers. And let me ask you, Mr. Novak, with your new self-founded — newfounded self-righteousness, are you going to retract the statement you said last week on “Meet the Press,” where you implied that President Clinton was involved in people’s deaths over Whitewater? That’s the most outrageous things I’ve heard said about an American president.

NOVAK: I didn’t say he was engaging — and you’re lying.

BEGALA: I’ll read your words.

NOVAK: And when I said that…

BEGALA: “I don’t believe that the Whitewater case was ever fully investigated. People died, and I believe Bill Clinton beat the rap on Whitewater.”

(CROSSTALK)

(BELL RINGING)

NOVAK: Well, I didn’t say he was involved with the thing.

BEGALA: You said…

NOVAK: You…

BEGALA: … he beat the rap and people died. Who died? Who died in Whitewater?

(CROSSTALK)

NOVAK: McDougal died, and…

BEGALA: He died in prison of a heart attack.

NOVAK: Well, people died (UNINTELLIGIBLE). But just a minute. You can’t — you can’t say — go on national television and accuse me of something I didn’t say.

BEGALA: I read your words.

NOVAK: I did not say that, and that is a lie. And I…

BEGALA: These are your words, Mr. Novak. I read them.

NOVAK: And I’m ashamed of you for going on the air and saying that.

BEGALA: I got this from the transcript. This is the transcript from “Meet the Press”, Bob.

NOVAK: That’s an outrage. And it is…

BEGALA: It is an outrage. You owe Mr. Clinton an apology.

NOVAK: … an absolute outrage because I did not say that he was responsible for those deaths. And this is not fun, Paul.

So the lesson for today is that Bob Novak doesn’t think being called on his bullshit is “fun”. It’s too bad he was saved by the commercial break too, I would have loved seeing him squirm for the rest of the episode desperately trying to deny his implication that the former president is a murderer. And just in case there’s any doubt about what Novak was implying, here’s the transcript of what he said on Meet The Press :

MR. NOVAK: …in, please? I don’t believe that the Whitewater case was ever fully investigated. People died. The judge that was going to get information out was not questioned.

MR. KLEIN: People died?

MR. NOVAK: And as a matter of fact, Joe, I believe that Bill Clinton beat the rap on Whitewater and I think Ken Starr failed on that.

Novak was saved from having to explain himself on that one too, this time by host Tim Russert who quickly changed the subject.

After the whole Valerie Plame controversy, I’m surprised that Novak is allowed to be on TV at all anymore. I think what Novak has done is much, much more offensive that what Michael Savage did. Savage was an asshole, but Novak actually helped our enemies by outing an undercover agent. Maybe if the American people payed more attention, they’d hold CNN accountable for having an anchor who’s guilty of treason.

UPDATE : Media Matters has a clip of Novak’s appearance on Meet The Press. The transcript provided above is accurate, but it leaves out the fact that Novak stutters like Elmer Fudd.

UPDATE 2 : Since, this post still gets a ton of traffic, lemme point you all towards a cartoon that my friend and I made. I hope you like it :

125 comments

1. Wow. What mendacity. Just keep repeating it and hope it blows over. “Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes?”

   Comment by loser — July 2, 2004 @ 7:05 pm

2. Novak’s an idiot, but presumably he meant that old cases are hard to try, in part because witnesses naturally pass away. Not that it’s hard to find prominent conservative voices who have accused the Clintons of murder – Rush on Vince Foster, for example.

   Wonder how Novak feels about the Bush campaign’s use of Hitler imagery to attack Kerry.

   Comment by rilkefan — July 2, 2004 @ 7:14 pm

3. What chiclet box did he get his teeth out of? And yea, why IS he still on TV?

   Comment by Jack — July 2, 2004 @ 7:19 pm

4. He’s a traitor and he shouold be in jail. Why does he not get tagged by the prosecutors? And it isn’t the first time he’s outed a spook.

   Comment by Andre — July 2, 2004 @ 7:22 pm

5. Nor the first time he’s been in cahoots with one….

   Comment by LJ — July 2, 2004 @ 7:27 pm

6. And what’s he looking at down there with those heavy, lidded eyes anyway? Satan manning his teleprompter?

   Comment by djangone — July 2, 2004 @ 7:31 pm

7. My guess is that Begala and Carville have a CNN memo telling them that mentioning the Plame case is taboo on Crossfire. Pretty frustrating when your colleague’s basically abetting traitors and you can’t call him on it. So when Novak made his outrageous comments on MTP, he gave Begala enough rope to tie the noose and swing it over the gallows. Good.

   Comment by nick — July 2, 2004 @ 7:35 pm

8. I think Novak is really becoming unhinged. I have watched him for a long time. He was a wingnut who I respected for his reporting skills. I didn’t agree with any of his opinions but he had outstanding contact in the repub party. So his reports were always worth listening to. But, the last year, it’s been appalling to watch how he has deteriorated. Someone really needs to step in and force him off the air.

   Comment by kainah — July 2, 2004 @ 7:45 pm

9. Novak will need to be fitted for a new suit…orange, one-piece, matching Cheney’s, Feith’s, Perle’s, et al…

   Comment by Ronjazz — July 2, 2004 @ 7:46 pm

10. I believe if you check out the sound as they go to commercial, Novak says something like “You went over the line.” or similar.

    I heard it as they were running the graphics leading into commercial.

    It was tasty. Way to go Begala!

    Keef

    Comment by keef — July 2, 2004 @ 7:49 pm

11. NOVAK: I didn’t say he was engaging — and you’re lying.

    BEGALA: I’ll read your words.

    NOVAK: And when I said that…

    Classic!

    Comment by qag1964 — July 2, 2004 @ 8:18 pm

12. I, too, have wondered about Novak’s competence. He has said some bizarre things. Also this is not the first time his memory seemed at fault (sincerely so).

    Does he drink? Otherwise it looks like some form of early dementia

    Comment by clio — July 2, 2004 @ 8:28 pm

13. Hate to spoil a party, but the simplest interpretation of that sequence is from Meet The Press is that Novak is saying that people died, whether McDougal or whoever, and that got in the way of investigating Whitewater.

    I know people like to point to the fact that the Right likes to conveniently mix key words in order to confuse them in people’s minds, like Saddam, 9-11, and Osama, for instance, or even “people died” and “Clinton beat the rap”, and I agree that the Right does this a lot, but that doesn’t justify in any particular case that you assume that an individual is doing that.

    From my read of the MTP thing, Novak is jumping from thought to thought, saying that the investigation was thwarted by deaths, and then concluding that because of that Clinton got off. That just might be true. Who knows? But it certainly doesn’t imply or suggest unless A) you suspect Clinton killed people or B) you suspect that people to reinforce the suspicion that Clinton killed people, that Novak meant that.

    A non-conspiratorial reading sees that Novak is saying, and he may be right, that Clinton was fortunate in that some of the key witnesses in the Whitewater investigation died before it was complete or, in Foster’s case, even going full steam.

    That’s a plausible statement, and by itself does not suggest that Clinton “did the killing”, or ordered it for that matter, or even that the deaths themselves are in any way related to the investigation.

    And finally, the selective quote from Begala is exactly the kind of thing that Atrios, I, and others becry from the Right wingnuts.

    Turnabout is not fair play, because it just makes you look like a whiner for complaining in the first place, and also shows which side has the imagination and initiative, since they come up with all the dirty tricks you cry about until you have a chance to play them yourself.

    Novak is a clown, but more and more the entire level of discourse in this country is going down the tubes, and I would suggest the effectiveness of our politics, and the quality of our security and livelihood, along with it.

    Comment by Jimm — July 2, 2004 @ 8:45 pm

14. I’m not a troll by the way, Mr. Host, if you’re not familiar with me.

    Just sick of the mutual whining and hypocrisy that goes for political discourse today, even while enemies are lining up against us to get one more crack at exposing our weaknesses, and perhaps with weapons of mass destruction that are not easy to detect.

    What do I mean? We are not living in a picnic here people, and sometime soon I’d like to see one side of the political aisle get serious about the deterioriating state of the world, in terms of violence, hatred, and environmental degradation among other things, so that we can get this mess cleaned up instead of having all this one-upmanship fun in domestic politics that is devoid of any value or adaptiveness to the challenges and threats ahead of us.

    Comment by Jimm — July 2, 2004 @ 8:48 pm

15. Jimm,
    I believe the truth is that Novak would not want to clarify his statement to what you suggest beacuase: A) he wants people to think clinton was responsible for deaths, and B) it’s really horrible to say that Clinton was saved by McDougal dying of a heart attack—ugh.

    Comment by marky — July 2, 2004 @ 9:02 pm

16. Hey, Jim with 2 m’s:

    2 + 2 = 4

    “people died” + “Clinton beat the rap” = you know exactly wtf Novak was talking about. And Russert let’s him get away with this shit all the time.

    Comment by Zappatero — July 2, 2004 @ 9:07 pm

17. Uh, Jimm, McDougal died in 1998. The Pillsbury Report, which fully exonerated Clinton, came out in ‘96. McDougal’s death had jack shit to do with Clinton “beating the rap.” So even in your implausibly kind construction, Novak is still lying his ass off about Whitewater.

    Comment by Scoott — July 2, 2004 @ 9:36 pm

18. When people talk about someone dying connected with Whitewater, they think of Vince Foster, NOT Jim McDougal. Why? Because the wingnuts–from Falwell to Lush Scumbag–were relentlessly hammering on that smear from the get-go.

    So don’t tell me that Novak meant McDougal. That dog won’t hunt. Novak knew EXACTLY whom he meant–he just never expected Begala to nail him for it on-air.

    The despicable creep.

    And Jimm, when it comes to “discourse going down the tubes,” we have Newt Gingrich and Lee Atwater, both Republicans, to thank for first poisoning that well with their take-no-prisoners approach (or what you so quaintly call “imagination and initiative.”) “Bipartisanship is date rape.” Sound familiar, Jimm? A REPUBLICAN said that, not a Democrat.

    But now that the Democrats have finally decided to take the gloves off in self-defense, the Repugs and their apologists have the nerve to cry foul. Spare me. If the GOP cared about governance, instead of the acquisition and wielding of raw power for power–and profit’s–sake, they wouldn’t be shutting the other side of the isle off from even the possibility of working out compromises.

    You don’t stop a bully by begging that he play nice. If the Democrats have finally had enough, I say more power to ‘em, “911 changed everything” whining notwithstanding.

    Comment by Sharoney — July 2, 2004 @ 10:01 pm

19. I think CNN has lost alot of credibility with their maintaining Robert Novak in their employ. I can barely watch their network anymore and ascribe it the high ideals I had in the past (not to mention Bill Schneider, Susanne Malveaux and the two clowns in Baghdad Sadler and Harris sumpin). I think Turner was smart to divest himself if he foresaw juss how far in the tank CNN was going to go.

    Comment by robbymack — July 2, 2004 @ 10:27 pm

20. Defenders of Novak would do well to review the man’s history on the Vince Foster case. Example: “According to Media Monitor, when Senator Alfonse D’Amato appeared on CNN?s Evans and Novak on July 30, 1995, Bob Novak asked him to address then Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich?s concerns that Vince Foster?s death might not be a suicide. “Why have you closed the door on that speculation when there are a lot of indications that it is not a closed case?” Novak reportedly asked, later inquiring, “So how did you know it was a suicide then?”

    http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/03/12/far03006.html

    Comment by js — July 2, 2004 @ 10:32 pm

21. Say, while we’re talking about suicides that maybe weren’t suicides, why hasn’t anyone raised the name of James Hatfield?

    Comment by Pu blius — July 2, 2004 @ 11:11 pm

22. I’m sure there are some alumni of my alma mater who, if their actions were more public, would be more embarrassing to me, but for now, I’ll stick to saying that it’s Novak who reigns as the alumnus who embarrasses me most. But hey, at least we’ve got Hugh Hefner.

    Oskee Wow Wow!

    Comment by VladiG — July 2, 2004 @ 11:23 pm

23. I’ve got to say that I agree with Jimm. Just because many Republicans and their media henchmen are hate-mongering hypocrites doesn’t mean that Democrats need to stoop that low as well. I know, of course, that simpering apes like Delay will do whatever, say whatever and spend whatever necessary to build their corporate utopias, but for the sake of the Republic it seems like more of us, especially at the individual level should attempt to elevate their personal levels of discourse (shame on me, I know).

    For a nice object lesson, I urge everyone to go over to Free Republic some time and see what those loons consider “rational discussion”. Even better, engage them in a non-troll like manner and see what happens. Folks shut up or reply with inanities. I would hate very much for liberals and progressives to follow the same route towards slavering incoherence, but it seems like that is where we’re headed. I know why, you know why, let’s see if we can avoid it.

    Cheers!
    Everett Volk

    Comment by Everett Volk — July 2, 2004 @ 11:24 pm

24. And then Jimm woke up in a puddle.
    Limbaugh, Savage, and a multitude of right wing propogandists sing from the same hymnbook, and the most vicious of them say what they want, Limbaugh packages it, and Novak just refers to it so he looks genteel. It won’t change until Americans realize the entire Reagan-Bush-Bush II feel-good campaign is an ongoing criminal conspiracy against their own interests and decide to either participate in their own supposed democracy and enforce its precepts or eat the shit that Novak, Safire, Krauthammer, et al., ad nauseum, are more than willing to feed them.

    Comment by bigfoot — July 2, 2004 @ 11:56 pm

25. Make Them Eat Their Words

    So Paul Begala bitch-slapped Bob Novak for accusing President Clinton of being responsible for people’s deaths. Novak denied it, even though its on the Meet the Press transcript. Now, boys and girls, would you like to see Robert Novak say…

    Trackback by Oliver Willis: Like Kryptonite To Stupid — July 3, 2004 @ 12:00 am

26. Novak created and I believe still owns The Capital Gang on CNN. He has someone else moderate it.

    Comment by Joe Gandelman — July 3, 2004 @ 12:14 am

27. Novak was absolutely technically correct: millions of people have died since Whitewater. He never said these deaths were of any significance, he was just pointing out a fact, lest we forget our own mortality.

    Comment by Eli — July 3, 2004 @ 12:53 am

28. i heard novak’s comments on mtp when it aired. at the time i was disgusted at what he was saying – that clinton was involved somehow in people’s deaths. and i wasn’t alone – my mom watches mtp religiously and she rang asking if i’d seen novak accuse clinton of murder.

    the right can spin novak’s words all they want.

    novak accused clinton of being involved in deaths in the whitewater case, and he did it very successfully.

    Comment by kevin lyda — July 3, 2004 @ 12:58 am

29. What would the wingnuts say if Aldrich Ames was a CNN pundit?

    How about John Walker or his son?

    Julius and Ethel Rosenberg?

    Kim Philby?

    Robert Hanssen, he might be OK. He was very right-wing and Opus Dei as well.

    Traitors one and all, just like Robert Novak. Yet this man is still on the air and none of the SCLM make a stink about it. You certainly won’t hear Rush or Hannity raise a ruckus about Novak.

    Comment by renato — July 3, 2004 @ 1:20 am

30. The Patriot Act should take care of the Plame deal, right? When is Ashcroft going to swing into action on getting Novak and the leaker and having them thrown in the slammer???

    Comment by Steve — July 3, 2004 @ 2:56 am

31. It’s interesting in retrospect that Tim Russert implied once that Novak should be wearing an orange jump suit.

    Comment by WWDT — July 3, 2004 @ 3:03 am

32. Novak is a clown, but more and more the entire level of discourse in this country is going down the tubes, and I would suggest the effectiveness of our politics, and the quality of our security and livelihood, along with it.

    posted by: Jimm at July 2, 2004 08:45 PM

    Ya, and you can thank the Republican Party and their shamless antics over the last 10 years for that jimm. Nice “quality of security” crap you threw in there on the end. But I guess your just jumping from thought to thought.

    Comment by Yankee in exile — July 3, 2004 @ 4:07 am

33. Al Franken in his book details a whole right wing media campaign in the Clinton era to blame not only Vince Foster on Clinton but even the death of two guys who were hit by a train in Arkansas! I think Novak is such a true believer that he is with those who accused Clinton of murder. Stand clear in case he spontaneously combusts.

    Comment by Brian Meyers — July 3, 2004 @ 5:04 am

34. From Everett Volk:

    “I’ve got to say that I agree with Jimm. Just because many Republicans and their media henchmen are hate-mongering hypocrites doesn’t mean that Democrats need to stoop that low as well.”

    Volk has a point — it’s pretty reprehensible that Begala would have the unmitigated gall to GET A TRANSCRIPT CONTAINING NOVAK’S WORDS! And then, unbelievably, astonishingly, treasonously, READ THOSE WORDS!!

    I mean, Jeezus, lying to the American public, invading another country on trumped-up evidence, and being directly responsible for the deaths of thousands … that’s pretty serious stuff. But I guess we can all be grateful that George Dubya never took that final, despicable step of … (gasp! horrors!) READING FROM A TRANSCRIPT!!

    rday

    P.S. Dear Everett. Go fuck yourself.

    Comment by rday — July 3, 2004 @ 5:05 am

35. Gingrich words to describe Democrats via FAIR
    Contrasting Words
    Often we search hard for words to help us define our opponents. Sometimes we are hesitant to use contrast. Remember that creating a difference helps you. These are powerful words that can create a clear and easily understood contrast. Apply these to the opponent, their record, proposals and their party.
    decay… failure (fail)… collapse(ing)… deeper… crisis… urgent(cy)… destructive… destroy… sick… pathetic… lie… liberal… they/them… unionized bureaucracy… “compassion” is not enough… betray… consequences… limit(s)… shallow… traitors… sensationalists…

    endanger… coercion… hypocrisy… radical… threaten… devour… waste… corruption… incompetent… permissive attitudes… destructive… impose… self-serving… greed… ideological… insecure… anti-(issue): flag, family, child, jobs… pessimistic… excuses… intolerant…

    stagnation… welfare… corrupt… selfish… insensitive… status quo… mandate(s)… taxes… spend(ing)… shame… disgrace… punish (poor…)… bizarre… cynicism… cheat… steal… abuse of power… machine… bosses… obsolete… criminal rights… red tape… patronage

    Comment by Robert Lynn — July 3, 2004 @ 5:19 am

36. I went to the drugstore the other day. People died and I got a soda. (I never met them – they died of old age.)

    Comment by imaginari — July 3, 2004 @ 5:50 am

37. Dear rday. Go fuck yourself.

    This is the kind of shit that will end up getting Bush reelected: arrogant one-upsmanship!

    Everett was trying to honestly make a point and doesn’t need to be given a Cheneyism. The great moderate center in America will elect Kerry, not arrogant smart-asses who can’t control their anger. While I say this, I say thank God for Michael Moore. Clever ways of fighting complacentcy need to be found, like his, not the screeches of arrogant little cock-fighters.

    Mardy

    Comment by Mardy — July 3, 2004 @ 6:03 am

38. Jimm -

    Taking you at your word of not being a troll. The problem with your argument is that Novak didn’t make it when asked to explain his words. Yes, there is an innocent, plausible explanation for his words, but he didn’t offer it when asked what they meant. He hemmed, hawed, denied he’d said them – all of which suggests to me that he knew he had said something he shouldn’t and that it was indefensible.

    Comment by Contrary Mary — July 3, 2004 @ 6:03 am

39. It’s too bad this exchange didn’t happen in Scarborough Country.

    Scarborough don;t want people talking too much about unexplained deaths.

    Comment by mdhatter — July 3, 2004 @ 6:03 am

40. Jimm – the trouble is that the current incumbent in the White House is just not up to dealing with the threats to America. If anything, he has made them more numerous and dangerous by invading Iraq.
    BTW, I don’t see why the Democrats shouldn’t sink as low as the Republicans. It is probably the only way that they can defeat them.

    Comment by blowback — July 3, 2004 @ 6:07 am

41. blowback – not really. F9/11 is a great example of NOT sinking as low as the Repuglicans, and yet drawing in many former Bush supporters, actually convincing people. Also, Al Franken doesn’t sink anywhere near to the level of the wingnut repugs; he gets his points across with great humor. If we get into a race to see who can sink the lowest, they will win. The great middle ground of Ameican opinion needs to be made aware of the travesty that is Bush, but not by screams and insults.

    Mardy

    Comment by Mardy — July 3, 2004 @ 6:48 am

42. Novak is a hack, and everybody knows it. It is quite refreshing to see someone call him out for the phony “journalism” he writes and speaks of. I am still amazed the man is employed after he added in outing that CIA undercover op.

    Thank you Mr. Belaga. Pleae feel free so show this boob up for what he is on a regular basis. American journalism is in the toilet, and its turds like Novak that put it there.

    Comment by Drgao — July 3, 2004 @ 7:18 am

43. We developmental biologists enjoy watching things grow a spine

    This exchange between Paul Begala and the odious Novak was a thing of beauty. BEGALA: In the spirit of patriotism, let me support the first amendment, which says the nation shouldn't be censored by right- wingers. And let me ask you, Mr. Novak…

    Trackback by Pharyngula — July 3, 2004 @ 7:47 am

44. Novak gets his own

    From The Talent Show via Atrios, get a load of Paul Begala developing a spine:BEGALA: In the spirit of patriotism,

    Trackback by Bad Culture — July 3, 2004 @ 7:50 am

45. rday and all,

    I wasn’t meaning to imply that Begala wasn’t correct in what he did. In fact, I think he was. We ought to be calling the lies when we see them and, as David Corn says, we ought to be identifying the liars when we know them. That’s a matter of truth, not overblown rhetoric. In that respect, I disagree with Jimm.

    The point I was trying to make was larger and, I guess, poorly made. I think we all recognize the power of polarizing rhetoric. I mean, how else do you explain the last 10 years? However, because polarizing rhetoric is powerful doesn’t mean that it’s good for any political party or for this country. This is more than just a “does the end justify the means?” argument. Rather, it seems to me that polarizing rhetoric actually harms the way citizens (red and blue, say) view each other and how they interact. How many of us would really argue that a highly polarized electorate ready to demonize ANY person who believes differently than them is a healthy state of affairs?

    In any case, I don’t know the solution. But, if I were to imagine one, I’d have to say that it starts at the individual. Sure, there’s game theoretical problems with regards “enforcing” such a “truce”, but that doesn’t we shouldn’t try.

    Cheers!
    Everett Volk

    P.S. rday, I got your point!

    Comment by Everett Volk — July 3, 2004 @ 7:54 am

46. I can see how some different interpretations might come out, but this idea seems a bit silly:

    “Novak is saying that people died, whether McDougal or whoever, and that got in the way of investigating Whitewater.”

    Got in the way? Since when does people dying stop an investigation? And less theoretically, it was the fact that people died that allowed wingers to blow up the scandal to such massive proportions. And they didn’t even have to have evidence, they just said “Clinton’s involved in Whitewater, and people died, so we’ll get to the bottom of this…”

    Just like Novak did.

    Comment by jesselee — July 3, 2004 @ 8:06 am

47. Seems pretty simple to me. Don’t descend to the repug level if not necessary. But when warranted-Pow, right in the scnhozze! “The problem with your argument is that Novak didn’t make it” as Mary said. Novak obviously wanted the benefit of the inference without being held responsible for his words. Wanted to have his rhetorical cake and eat it, too. But he sure didn’t like the taste of his own words. Tasted like crow.

    Comment by Mooser — July 3, 2004 @ 8:22 am

48. I appealed to Paul Begalla at every email and snail mail address I could find to please refuse to appear onstage with Novak, and to exhort Carville to do the same. What a statement it would make if there was crossfire with only Novak and Carlson sitting, gazing at the Camera saying ” we have no Left today cause they refuse to appear with a treasonous criminal ” (even under threat of breaching contract) That would be international news, and might serve to state that decency still has currency in the US political debate . BUT , Begalla ignored me , and everyone said I was going too Far . Seems to me , that party loyalty will compel McCain to embrace the man he despises and support the president , even though he knows he is dead wrong on most things, and knows he would slide a blade between Macains ribs if it meant 4 electoral college votes, and when it comes to a paycheck , Begalla?s ideology and conviction take a backseat to profit , regardless of how he might think he represents the more decent side of the debate , the paycheck trumps the high ideals and allows him to take the stage and play at politics , rather than see the reality . The problem Mr. Begalla has is that he hasn’t realized that Mr. Novak (TRAITOR) isn’t playing. He is a paid agent of the radical right and a shill of the admin. Begalla thinks he is a journalist.

    Other than that, I think these guys like each other just fine off camera, and the rest is theatre. Until Begalla and Carville accuse him straight on stage on air, they are complicit in the outing of Valerie Plame, and therein, show that they can melt to currency even the Gold of Rule. Shame …shame ….sad, aching tragic shame.
    Other than that, and in the context of the exchange in question, well done Paul, and screw you Novak.
    Thanks guys .

    Comment by AsH — July 3, 2004 @ 8:28 am

49. and on a more civil note (and, yes, i can be civil when i put my mind to it :-), what strikes me as odd and just a bit amusing is the right wing’s current accusations against the left of, well, just being mean and spiteful and stuff like that. you know, “boy, you guys are just irrationally full of hate, aren’t you?”

    it doesn’t take much memory to document the all-out, savage attack against the left and the dems over the last several years. the years-long pummelling of clinton, things like dick armey (or was it phil gramm?) having said that what he wanted was to start hunting liberals with dogs.

    but as unpleasant as it was before 2000, that didn’t begin to compare with what happened after 2000. the hate-spewing bill o’reilly, the psychotic ann coulter accusing the entire left wing of treason, the repubs basically attacking democracy in general with their blatant and transparent redistricting in texas and colorado, the accusations that, if you questioned this administration in any way, well, clearly, you hated america and supported the terrorists, the rounding up of protestors at bush events in remote “free speech” zones, sometimes behind wire fences, if they weren’t just flat out assaulted by the police.

    and, oh yeah, if you publicly criticized the administration’s ridiculous rationale for the “war on terror”, well, you got your wife outed as a covert CIA operative.

    so, it’s more than a little hard to take when i hear bob “douchebag” novak, the treasonous sleazeball that he is, actually whining when someone does nothing more than reads back something he said on a previous show.

    yeah, that paul begala … what a complete america-hating, treasonous, terrorist-loving, left-wing psycho. god only knows when he’ll snap totally, and read another transcript or something.

    Comment by rday — July 3, 2004 @ 8:51 am

50. Two thoughts: the comment can indeed be interpreted in at least two ways, I see it in its more nefarious context; Novak has not explained himself and the burden is on him.

    Comment by raul — July 3, 2004 @ 8:56 am

51. … and speaking of hate-filled screeds, well, just in case you needed examples:

    “I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus?living fossils?so we will never forget what these people stood for.”

    - Rush Limbaugh, Denver Post, 12-29-95

    “Get rid of the guy. Impeach him, censure him, assassinate him.”

    - Rep. James Hansen (R-Utah), talking about President Clinton, as reported by journalist Steve Miner of KSUB radio who overheard his conversation, 11-01-98

    “We’re going to keep building the party until we’re hunting Democrats with dogs.”

    - Sen. Phil Gramm (R-Texas), Mother Jones, 08-95

    “We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors.”

    - Ann Coulter, at the Conservative Political Action Conference, 02-26-02

    whew. damn good thing they didn’t suggest, like, reading a transcript or anything. :-)

    Comment by rday — July 3, 2004 @ 9:04 am

52. This is my favorite part:

    MR. RUSSERT: But, Bob Novak, President Bush this week invited President Clinton and Mrs. Clinton to the White House and he praised on him. Let’s just watch a bit of it here.

    (Videotape, June 14, 2004):

    PRES. GEORGE W. BUSH: We’re glad you’re here, 42. The years have done a lot to clarify the strengths of this man. As a candidate for any office, whether it be the state attorney general or the president, Bill Clinton showed incredible energy and great personal appeal. As chief executive, he showed a deep and far-ranging knowledge of public policy, a great compassion for people in need and the forward-looking spirit that Americans like in a president. Bill Clinton could always see a better day ahead and Americans knew he was working hard to bring that day closer.

    (End videotape)

    MR. RUSSERT: Mr. Novak?

    MR. NOVAK: That turned the stomach of a lot of people, but it’s in keeping with all the hypocrisy of people who hated Ronald Reagan who were eulogizing him the week before. Now, the next day is George W. Bush saying what a fine person Bill Clinton was.

    Ah, I see. So Novak spends 10 minutes bitching about Clinton’s dishonesty (I know it’s been said, but the man was having an AFFAIR. Of course he lied! He has a wife! Doesn’t make it right, but, come on!) but then when Bush praises Clinton it’s obviously because Bush was dishonest, for the sake of being polite to dishonest Clinton, and somehow all of this makes logical sense to Novak.

    Right.

    Comment by Emie — July 3, 2004 @ 9:17 am

53. Who will tell the people? dnc will not. FaSHOCK & AWE—-
    DEMOCRATS CREATE WEALTH AND JOBS-
    1.From Harding In 1921 to Bush in 2003
    2.Democrats held White House for 40 years and Republicans for 42.5 years.
    3.Democrats created 75,820,000 net new jobs — Republicans 36,440,000.
    4.Per Year Average?Democrats 1,825,200—Republicans 856,400.
    5.Republicans had 9 presidents during the period and 6 had depression or recession.
    6.Republicans had a recession/depression in 177 months and Democrats in 32 months.
    7.DOW?grew by 52% more under Democrats.
    8.GDP?grew by 43% more under Democrats.
    —
    Comparing Democrat?s hero-CLINTON?versus Republican?s hero–REAGAN
    –
    1.JOBS?grew by 43% more under Clinton.
    2.GDP—grew by 57% more under Clinton.
    3.DOW?grew by 700% more under Clinton..
    4.NASDAQ-grew by 18 times as much under Clinton.
    4.SPENDING–grew by 28% under Clinton—80% under Reagan.
    5.DEBT?grew by 43% under Clinton?187% under Reagan.
    6. DEFICITS?Clinton got a large surplus–grew by 112% under Reagan.
    7.NATIONAL INCOME?grew by100% more under Clinton.
    8.PERSONAL INCOME?Grew by 110% more under Clinton.
    SOURCES?Bureau of Labor Statistics (www.BLS.Gov)–Economic Policy Institute (EPI.org)?Global & World Almanacs from 1980 to 2003 (annual issues)
    http://www.the-hamster.com (chart taken from NY Times)
    National Archives History on Presidents. http://www.nara.gov

    Please submit comments to cwswinney@netzero.net or P.O. Box 3411-Burlington NC-27215

    ctual.

    Comment by clarence swinney — July 3, 2004 @ 10:02 am

54. This Gang has Gall to say Kerry Flip Flops with this massive Waffle record. Many to BUSH WAFFLE HOUSE
    ?I say what I mean and mean what I say?
    ? Promises made-Promises kept?
    ?When I make up my mind it stays made up?
    ?I do not take cues from anyone?
    ?You can?t say one thing and do another?
    ?Trust me I?m a straight shooter?
    ?I?m the commander, I don?t need to explain, I do not need to explain why I say
    things?
    —
    1.Osama Bin Laden is my number one priority. (at least this week)
    2. We need an Office of Strategic Influence (Next decade maybe)
    3. I will follow the UN Resolution as long as it takes-10-27-02
    10-31-02?The UN needs to act now
    2-13-03?The UN needs to show courage (like I did during Vietnam.)
    4. I am a strong believer in Fair Trade?(except steel and softwood lumber) (votes first)

    Ed Crane?Co-Founder and President of The Cato Institute-?Everything this
    administration does is political?

    5, We do not need for the Homeland Security Department to be a Cabinet position.
    I made up my mind on it. Boston Globe?6-9-02 ?Bush Flip Flop?
    6. I will get Osama Bin Laden ?Dead or Alive??(go get em cowboy)?5-13-02-(?I don?t know where he is, I have no idea and I really don?t care.) (It?s not that important. It?s not out first priority?) (?I say what I mean?). (?When I make up my mind it stays made up?).
    7. I will use the bully pulpit with OPEC. (Sic em bulldog my gas now 1.65 per gallon)
    Supply went down and Prices went up and (?This is just the Free Market at Work?)
    8. I will never apologize to the Chinese for ?stealing our plane?. Please guys! Be nice.
    Return our plane. ?I regret it?
    9. I mean what I say??We can expect an attack?. Each month warning. When BOY?
    10. Wash. Post-2-8-03?Bush seeking a promise from IRAN (Evil) for humanitarian help
    in event a slaughter is done in Afghan. (Sounds like Reagan?)
    11. NYT-1-23-03?Bush (Man of steel will) ?rescinding? old policy and implementing a new policy that allows managed care organizations to limit and restrict coverage of emergency services for poor people on Medicaid. This was after criticizing HMO.s for refusal to allow treatment. If this is a Devout Christian I am Jesus Christ.
    12. We will not negotiate with North Korea. Wash Post 1-16-03?Bush is now willing to consider agricultural and energy aid. (Hold on! This is EVIL of axis)
    13.Individual investors who borrow money to buy dividend paying stocks should be penalized.(Gosh! What did I say?I did not mean it) NYT 2-5-03
    14. I mean what I say until yelling starts. Military pay increase of 2% then 4%.
    Stars & Stripes-12-30-02?Bush asked Defense Dept. to lower the announced pay raise for the military from 3.7% to 2%. Finally got 4 in 2004 budget.

    ?I am tired of all the Lying and Deception??Amen! Hallelulah! Then stop it Boy.

    15.I mean what I say?I am the education president. Please. First budget increased by 1,5% which had averaged 7% increase per year over five years. (Sounds like Clinton was the Educated educator to me.)
    16.Wash Post-12-2-02?In June 2002 Bush promised 500 Million to fight mother-child transmission of Aids . In Aug he vetoed the first transfer of the 500 million. In 111 days since his promise 222,000 babies have been infected with Aids. (I wonder if Jesus Christ is tossing in his bed)

    17.?Secretary O?Neill is doing a good job. The economy is improving. I have faith in him?. (your faith lasts two weeks boy)

    18.The Homeland Security Bio-Terrorism Bill is too expensive. I will veto it. An Ok is not a veto boy.
    (I mean what I say? but maybe I will not this time.)

    19. I do not approve of an Independent Investigation of 9-11. (?I mean what I say? but?yelling is too loud).

    20.I am against international money laundering controls. (9-11??I changed my steel mind?) They may catch daddy.

    21.We will have major social security changes. Wash Post. 11-11-01?Andrew Card on Meet the Press on 11-10-02 ?I am not sure we will reform it? This was a Centerpiece of his campaign..

    22.-12-30-02?We will not tolerate a North Korean nuclear arsenal. (Act nice guys if you want our $$$)

    23.We do not hit civilian targets(in Afghan). There is no evidence. (Red Cross building not civilian?Veterans Hospital is military?Warlord Party heading to Kabul to celebrate was armed with .22 rifles?Wedding Party was violent and firing in the air at our planes 20,000 feet above them)

    24.Wash Posr-11-15-02??If you are not happy with the administration?s policy toward Iraq at any given moment just wait a week or two. A new policy, more your liking, is bound to appear?.

    A. Go it alone week
    B. Let us wait for UN week
    C. ?regime change? is goal
    D. remove wmd is goal
    E. Secretary of State is nor speaking for the president
    F. Attorney General is not speaking for the administration.
    G. I am sick and tired of this waffling and waiting.

    25.Steel Tariff?I really did not mean that much. I angered some people. Reduce it.
    (When I make up my mind it stays made up)
    26.Carbon Dioxide is a power plant pollutant I will control.. (Oh! It will be too costly to my energy contributors so forget it suckers?cough cough)
    27.Reuters-6-26-02??I have confidence in the Palestinians when they understand we are saying they must make the right decisions???I can assure you we will not be putting money into a society which is not transparent and which is corrupt?.
    (Was he referring to his administration? Sounds like it?transparent?corrupt)

    28.I am against human cloning in any form. (well, not quite ?any?)
    29.?I knew nothing about dangers of 9-11?. Eight months later. ?I knew a damn bunch (but I was too busy on Vacation and looking for more to blame on that President who stomped my dad. Darn it is tough being dumb, inarticulate and following such a brain and great success)
    30.?I am in excellent physical condition.? (Darn, staying up till midnight in Paris zapped all my energy?Boy?try conditioning your mind))
    31.I am on top of everything. (Why did you say twice on TV??I am not in control the Pentagon is running the War (Afghan)?You have a White House base?same as Al Qaeda. Only more secretive)
    32.I will veto bill increasing benefits for disabled military retirees (Yep!He was war hero.. 6-20-02 in Wash Post. I do not change my mind. Until 2004 Budget).
    33.-6-14-02?released 23,653 of ?cherry picked? Reagan papers after refusing to do it. ?When I make up my mind it stays made up? Is this BOY real ??
    34.I mean what I say??I will provide 100 million to help preserve the Rain Forest?
    35.Budgeted funds for his dad?s Crusader cannon then demanded that Congress kill the big sucker.
    36. Airline Security is very important to me. Then, why did you fight so hard to keep guns out of cockpits?
    37.Barred part-time Mexican and Canadian students from U.S. schools after 9-11. Then, after howls reversed his decision. ?When I make up my mind?
    38.Simon (candidate for Gov. of California). ?He is a breath of fresh air.?
    Bush sho hated that California Smog for he avoided Simon while in his presence.
    39.?I will not engage in bailing out countries.? 30 billion to Brazil just a tip?
    40.NY Times-Richard Stevenson-2-14-03??Bush eases Ban on AIDS money to pro-abortion groups abroad.. What will he tell Falwell?
    41.-March 6??We will call for a UN Security Council vote.? Geo. Bush
    March 13??There may be no vote? Colin Powell
    NY TIMES-?Bush promises to adopt peace plan?. The Guardian-?Bush reversed his previous insistence that the Middle East Peace effort must wait till after Iraq SLAUGHTERAMA
    42.NY TIMES–Edmund L. Andrwews-2-26-03?Less than a month after President Bush proposed a radical overhaul and expansion of individual retirement and savings account the White House has abandoned their idea. (?When I make up my mind it stays made up?) (?Promises made promises kept?) (?I say what I mean and mean what I say?)
    —WHO IN HECK IS IN CHARGE IN THIS WAFFLE HOUSE?–

    43. NY Times-Patrick e. Tyler-5-17-03??In reversal, plan for Iraqi self rule by June 1 put off indefinitely. ?When I make up my mind(scorched?) it stays made up?? Sho!
    44.BIG WAFFLE?Washington Post-8-19-03-Dana Milbank & Bradley Graham?
    ?Bush revises view on combat in Iraq?.—May I on USS Desertion he said– ?Combat Operations are over?.. Now??Actually, Major military operations continue because we still have combat operations going on?. Is this boy of scorched brain or what?
    45. TEACH FOR AMERICA PROGRAM ZAPPED BY BUSH. I am pissed off. Big time. In 2000 campaign Bush promised President Wendy Koop to expand it. His aides asked President Wendy Koop to quadruple it. . On July 11,2003 she got a letter ?We regret to inform you your application was not selected for funding?. Gone. Zapped totally. Bush is one of sorriest not just worst in history. Read TIME?8-17-03. Joe Klein article headed ?WHO KILLED TEACH FOR AMERICA?? Sorry, but I am so furious I have difficulty writing. I do not like to curse but xxxxxxx.
    45.OBL not priority or is he?
    A 9-13-01??The most important thing is for us to find Osama Bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him?.
    B. 9-17-01?I want justice. Wanted :Dead or alive.?
    C 12-28-01??Listen awhileago I said to the american people our objective is more than Bin Laden?Press pool in chapel on ranch
    D. 3-13-02 ?I am truly not that concerned about him.?The New American 4-8-02
    E. 3-13-02??I don?t know where Bin Laden is. I have no idea and I really don?t care. It?s not that important. It?s not our priority.? Wow!
    46. Bush told bob Woodward in his book ?Bush War? that ?he didn?t feel that sense of urgency? about Al Qaeda prior to 9-11?. No claims had great sense of urgency.

    47.Nov 2003 Bush made highly touted speech about spreading democracy in the entire Middle East. NYT reported he backed away after it was denounced by Egypt Mubarak and Crown Prince Abdullah of Saudi Arabia.
    48. 2-2-04 Budget Director Bolton-?we will not need additional funds for 04.?
    5-5-04 Bush ?I am requesting that Congress establish a 25 Billion contingency reserve ?
    49. 3-9-04 Press Secretary McClellan-?Condoleeza Rice will not testify before 9-11 commission it is matter of principle.? President Bush on 3-30-94 ?Dr. Rice will testify.?
    50. 3-19-02 Ari Fleischer-?Creating a Cabinet Office will not solve the problem.?
    6-6-02 President Bush ?Tonight I ask the Congress to join me in creating a single permanent department securing the homeland of America.?
    51. NYT 1-29-04 ?Bush resists outside investigation on WMD intelligence failure.?
    2-6-04 Bush ?Today, by executive order, I am creating an independent commission, to look at American intelligence capabilities.?
    52. Wash Post-1-19-04-?Bush opposes extension of time for 9-11 commission.?
    CNN-2-4-04—?Bush supports time extension for 9-11 commission.?
    53.NYTimes 2-26-04-Bush limits testimony to one hour.?
    Spokesman McClellan-3-10-04 ?Bush sets no time limit for testimony.?

    54.Larry King Live 2-15-00 Bush says Gay Marriage is a state issue.
    2-24-04-Bush ?Today I call upon the Congress to promptly pass, an amendment to our constitution defining andprot4cting marriage as a union of a man and woman as husband and wife.?
    55. 3-6-03 Bush vows to have a UN vote no matter what 3-18-03-Wash Post-?Bush withdraws request for UN vote.?
    56. Columbia Journalism Review?Bush vetoed Patients Bill Of Rights as Governor but boasted how he got it passed. Now, flip flop to double straddle. He touted the Texas law as super duper.
    When a challenge to the Texas Law went before Supreme Court Bush joined with two HMO?s in opposing the law. Could it be because the HMO?s are Pioneers in his campaign. Doesn?t this man have any honor or integrity?

    be added.

    Comment by clarence swinney — July 3, 2004 @ 10:04 am

55. Democrats creat goodness.-78 good things done by Democrats–

    Can anyone name ten for Republicans

    Credit for this information goes my friend, a great mind, and his terrific site

    Ray Dubuque?www.liberalslike Christ.org–

    1.civilian conservation corps
    2.public works adm.–works progress adm
    3.unemployment relief act
    4.national industrial recovery act
    5.national housing act
    6.federal communications act
    7.national labor relations act
    8.fair labor standards act (min wage & max hours laws)
    9.GI bill of rights
    10.social security act
    11.Tennessee valley (power) authority
    12.rural electrification act
    13.full employment act
    14.permanent school lunch program
    15.integration of armed forces
    16.veterans emergency housing act
    17.public health service act
    18.national housing act
    19.marshall plan
    20.peace corps
    21.aid to dependent children program
    22.small business investment act
    23.establishment of arms control and disarmament agency
    24.consumer drug protection laws
    25.equal pay act
    26.manpower development and retraining act
    27.clean air act
    28.mental health and mental retardation act
    29.college and vocational education act
    30.civil rights act
    31.voting rights act
    32.mass transportation act
    33.omnibus poverty act (office of economic opportunity, vista, job corps and public assistance programs)
    34.war on poverty
    35.head start (for pre-school children)
    36.land conservation fund
    37.permanent food stamp program
    38.appalachia regional development act
    39.elementary and secondary education act
    40.higher education act
    41.older Americans act (medicare and medicaid)
    42.law enforcement assistance act
    43.immigration reform act
    44.freedom of information act
    45.fair housing act
    46.housing and urban development (low income housing )
    47.clean water restoration act
    48.coal mine health and safety act
    49.child protection
    50.federal ethics code
    51.civil service reform
    52.creation of superfund (cleanup of toxic waste)
    53.secretary of health joseph califano(fight tobacco health threat)
    54.votings rights act extension
    55.highway and mass transit funding bill
    56.civil rights restoration act
    57.head start expansion
    58.Americans with disabilities act
    59.major tax increase on the wealthy to fight deficits created by Reagan and Bush
    60.family medical leave act
    61.attempted to extend/or improve health insurance coverage for millions of Americans
    62.restoration of democracy to haiti
    63.restoration of peace to bosnia
    64.promotion of peace in south Africa
    65.promotion of peace in northern Ireland
    66.promotion of peace in Israel and Palestine
    67.increases in minimum wage
    68.promotion of spending on inner-city schools
    69.opposition to abolition of safety net for the poor
    70.protection of social security and medicare
    71.promotion of justice for victims of racism
    72.protection of children from cancer inducing tobacco industry
    73.constantly frustrated efforts to enact thorough campaign finance
    74.appointment of many minorities and women to cabinet positions
    75.resolution of long-standing black farmers discrimination issues
    76.leadership role in nato?s campaign to stop ethnic cleansing in kosovo.
    77.major efforts to challenge the dangerous proliferation of guns in America
    78.ameri-corps

    Comment by clarenc swinney — July 3, 2004 @ 10:15 am

56. Trust this Gang?Mr. Swinney has been cataloguing the endless stream of lies of the George W. Bush administration, which is up near the 200 mark as of May 22, 2003.
    Here is his list. Everybody might not agree about every last item, but anybody who thinks that this President is honest and/or trustworthy is smoking something illegal!
    — BUSH & STAFF LIES —
    My list has not been updated since May 2003 so I have many to be added.
    I Define a Lie?Intent To Deceive?some are not– many are. You decide
    1. I passed a Patients Bill Of Rights as Governor.
    2. I am a “Reformer with Results”.
    3. I am a “Compassionate Conservative”.
    4. Action Administration.
    5. The claim that “Al Gore lied re: his role in creating the Internet”.
    6. The claim that “Al Gore lied re: his role in Love Canal”.
    7. The claim that “Al Gore lied re: The Love Story movie”.
    8. The claim that “Al Gore lied re: his role on Farm Work”.
    9. Open Administration.
    10. I will protect the environment.
    11. I will retain regulations on CO2.
    12. Dad and I will be first two Environmental presidents.
    13. I will increase funding for libraries. ( cut is not an increase Mr. MBA)
    14. I will Leave No Child behind. (Just the funding for their programs).
    15. I will be the Education President.
    16. I will restore Honor-Dignity-Integrity to the White House.
    17. I will continue to balance the budget.
    18. I will put Social Security in a Lock Box.
    19. I will increase the Pell Grant Maximum Award.(cut is no increase)
    20. My Tax Cuts will not create deficits even in a recession. How high the moon.
    21. I will fully fund LIHEAP?low income energy program.
    22. I will listen to sound science and ?local? officials before deciding on Yucca Mountain. I do not listen to anyone I is King.
    23. I will make higher education more accessible by helping students with costs.
    24. My administration will have transparency.
    25. I am the type of person who will not change his mind once he makes it up.
    26. I have been to WAR.
    27. I will provide 20 Billion for World Trade center. 5-29-03 still waiting.
    28. I gave the citizens a Tax Refund. Loan not a refund. Democrats program. I am King I can take credit if I wish.
    29. Iran and North Korea have been allies against us.
    30. Hear me once and hear me clear. Promises made are promises kept. Sometimes-Occasionally-Now and then-Maybe

    -My Waffle list takes care of this very childish remark.-

    31. Saddam kicked inspectors out of Iraq. (He ordered USA spies to leave but stated over and over that others could stay.). Sick or dumb. You decide.
    32. I knew nothing about a possible WTC type attack. .
    33. We warned the FAA, Airlines and Pilots. (Pilots interviewed said they were never warned.).
    34. Ashcroft: “We captured a terrorist who was planning to plant dirty bombs”.
    35. Presidential Air Force 1 plane was under attack.
    36. “I saw the first plane hit before I went into the classroom.” Well, I made it up.
    37. “I will fully fund Low Income Housing Assistance. A cut is no increase.
    38. “I will provide affordable prescription benefits for ?all? seniors. Key is ?affordable?
    39. “I will pay down a record amount of the federal debt. Call Me Mandrake the Magician.
    40. The largest percentage increase in my budget is for education.
    41. Education will be my number one priority (?after millionaires).
    42. “I do not take cues from anyone. (Except Karl, Karen and Dick).
    43. Finding to Congress to slaughter Afghans. Lied by omission. No mention of removal of Taliban.
    44. “I will not engage in “Nation Building”. Until second year.
    45. “I do not need a Resolution from the UN.” I love being a Dictator.
    46. Palm Beach County was a Pat Buchanan stronghold. Jews love Pat like Hitler.
    47. Clinton people did an estimated $200,000 damage to White House.
    48. Clinton people robbed Air Force 1.
    49. Middle East slaughter is Clinton fault (for working too hard for peace.)
    50. North Korea restarting Nuke Program (Clinton fault).
    51. We have the strongest Military in history. (He campaigned on it being so weak.).
    52. “I will be strict on federal spending.” (Except for millionaires in weapons manufacturing).
    53. Alabama Duty?I was there on a temporary assignment and fulfilled my weekends.
    54. Dan Bartlett?Bush spokesman : “He pulled his drills in Alabama”. (Since he wasn?t flying he was doing odds and ends under different supervisors whose names he cannot recall, which may well explain (why they can?t remember him either).
    55. “I was no longer flying F-102 jets because they were being replaced by a different fighter.”
    56. Aide : “He did not take a physical because his physician was in Houston and he was in Alabama.” (Try again. Personal physicians cannot give the examination.).
    57. “After I completed flight training in 1970 I kept flying with my unit for the next several years”. 22 months do not constitute several years
    58. Cheney lied on Halliburton transactions with Iraq.
    59. “Immediately upon taking office I will transfer the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem”. Not in first term (last term)
    60. “I will Jawbone OPEC to open the wells.” (Aw heck just free market at work.)
    61. “I will have a humble foreign policy. ” (What would he consider an arrogant one?)
    62. “I will have a bipartisan administration.” (most partisan since dinosaurs)
    63. “Sharon is a Man of Peace.” (slaughters =peace)
    64. “I looked into Putin?s soul. ” (Psychic again.)
    65. Paul O?Neill: “I sold no Alcoa stock when I was CEO”. (Try 627,547 shares).
    66. “Iraq has a fleet of unmanned planes which could be targeted at the United States”.
    ( It will take 1,000 refuelings to get here, if the duct tape holds up!)
    67. “We have proof Al Queda has been involved with Iraq.” (But we won’t show it to anyone.).
    68. Elliott Abrams is a convicted liar. (Right at home with this crowd.)
    69. John Poindexter is a convicted liar. (He just cannot remember.)
    70. Karl Rove lied on Salvation Army deal.
    71. “I will put an end to permanent campaigning.” (I will do only six days each week.)
    72. “I will not use polls. (Just weekly.)
    73. Senator Baucus does not like free trade. He is an isolationist and protectionist.
    74. The president did not try to intervene in the GE-Honeywell deal in England.
    (Well, maybe a little bit.).
    75. Mitch Daniels?biggie on Clinton night deposits.
    76. “We will stop attacking Clinton”. ( when we die, maybe.).
    77. U.S. air strikes in Iraq have been routine. (Pentagon disagrees.)
    78. “Majority of my tax cuts goes to lower income”. (15% to bottom 60% mr.mba)
    79. “I am matching a trillion tax cut with a trillion cut in spending.”
    80. Harken Energy sale of sock?records show a deliberate lie.
    81. Dropping top rate from 39.6% to 33% will serve as a stimulus to 9.4 million .
    small business owners. (Less than 5% of businesses pay top rate now.).
    84. “I will provide $100 million to preserve the Rain Forest.” ( $ 87 million short. And he earned! a Business Degree form Harvard!).
    85. School Choice?In state of Washington he said ?I stand behind school choice?.
    Next stop was Concord NC. ?I want to avoid some of the so called school choice issues
    such as school vouchers, for it would prompt an extended debate in congress?.
    86. Iraq is updating their nuclear program for we can tell by them having aluminum pipes.Experts say you are wrong boy.
    87. Cheney:: ?You never save ammunition to use before an election.? Rove and Card said Oh Yes we do.
    88. He was inspired by reading the masters. (Well, Not exactly read them. We told him.).
    89. “I read the EPA report.(Ari :?He did not?. When Ari contradicts you, it is trouble.).
    90. Laura??The federal records show divorce is down, weddings are up and families are coming together? (Sorry dear, you must have been looking at old Clinton records. Federal government no longer maintains such records.).
    91. We did not support the Venezuelan coup.
    92. Nunn-Lugar.
    93. Anwar?only 2,000 acres will be disturbed.
    94. Presidential records ? hiding them will make them more accessible. (If you say so–Talk of twisted logic)
    95. Ashcroft – We are able to respond to bio-terrorism attacks. Call 911.
    96. Military ? Help is on the way.
    97. My daughter did not wear kahki?s to meet the Queen. (Just a Demin jacket.).
    98. We have definite proof Osama Bin Laden was responsible for 9-11. I thought they were your pals from Saudi Arabia)
    99. “I was never arrested.? (Police record wrong. Dad could not get it expunged fast enough).
    100. We have an agreement, which will be the largest disposal of nuclear war heads in history.
    ( Putting 2,200 into storage is not disposing of them in other people’s dictionary.).
    101.I believe in being held accountable. ( Why then, when we attacked Afghan, did you say ?I?m not in charge. The Pentagon is running the war?) .
    103. Plants must conform to same environmental standards of regulations as in Texas.
    (Voluntary “compliance” isn?t regulations.).
    104. My number one priority is Osama Bin Laden- dead or alive. (for the moment).
    105. You coal miners will get help from me.
    106. “I got affirmative action rules in Texas. (O=Nothing.).
    107. Admiral Quidly spokesman for Central Command in Afghan : ?We hit our targets miles away from homes.? (Not according to eyewitnesses who saw friends homes take direct hits, Red Cross building, Vets hospital, wedding party, etc.).
    108.
    109. Ashcroft?550 prisoners??It is against the law to release their names?. (Three days later assistant attorney general Chertoff said ?there is no specific law barring disclosure of names?.).Who runs this Animal Farm.
    110. Gonzales?Mary Francs Berry said he lied to her over seating a commissioner on her commission.
    111. Mitch Daniels – Economic slow down is due to war on terror and not tax cut.
    (When he made that statement very little spending was being done to fight terrorism.).
    112. Justice Department?Lied on number of arrests and convictions for terrorism. (They loaded the report with garden variety crimes with no connection to terrorism).
    113. Justice said man disrupting a flight was a ?domestic terrorist?.
    (The judge laughed at the charge and called it ?ridiculous?. He said it was an obvious case of a man being very upset at his treatment by airlines.).
    114. IAEA?Harpers Review?1-14-03?claimed the group had issued a report which did not exist. This boy brain scorched?.
    115. We will not become the police of the world. OK! Just judge, jury and executioner.
    116. Gale Norton??Governor Davis had a hand in approving offshore drilling?.
    ( Governor Davis called him a ?Liar?.).
    117. Cheney said Tax Cut stimulated savings and investments.
    118.AL Q is operating in Kashmir section of Pakistan. ( Strong denial by Pakistan so waffled away saying well we thought they were there. We had a gut feeling.).
    119.We should not execute anyone who is mentally retarded. ( He executed two with IQ under 70.).
    120.Cheney?In order to meet our future electrical needs we need to build one plant per week. ( A cutback.).
    121. “I got the first major energy policy in history. ( Jimmy Carter earned that distinction 25 years ago.) Jimmy went bonkers over this lie.
    122. The sleepovers in the Texas State House were only family. (And they gave 2.1 million to your campaign.). Is such lying necessary? Or just pathological?
    123. “I have been off alcohol since I met Billy Graham. (That video all over the internet showing you stoned at a wedding reception in 1992 was magic?) .
    124. Mitch Daniels: “The 2003 budget was built on very conservative and cautious assumptions.”
    125. OMB: “appropriations of domestic programs are, or will be, the cause of long term budget problems”.
    126. OMB: “deficits will drop significantly between 2002 and 2003.”.
    127. OMB: in it?s mid-year review it claimed that the Senate domestic budget plan would reduce the president?s defense request for the 2003 budget. (The Senate plan included the presidents full request and OMB knew it. ).
    128. Padilla? Ashcroft had to reverse his claim of capturing a terrorist who was planning bio-chemical attack on us.
    129. Bush claimed Al Q was planning to attack U.S. nuclear plants. (No proof yet. Just spreading fear).
    130. Photo-op in Arizona during wildfires. ?We will help?. (Arizona is still waiting.) .
    131. Wolfowitz: “We found a terrorist cell in Jacksonville, Florida.” (When asked for proof by Jacksonville leaders, they were told it was just my gut feeling.).
    132. Photo-op in Oregon at training center. ?I will help?. (A week later his budget came out cutting such training programs by 45 million.).
    133. Harken Energy—records show blatant lies by George W. Bush.
    134. “I will veto bio-terrorism bill; it is too expensive. (Then signed it.).
    135. Told state officials it was illegal to place limits on coverage of emergency services for the poor.
    (Then, put out a new policy allowing HMO?s to do just that).
    136. Said his application to a Prep School was not rejected. (It was. He admitted it later.). Why does he tell such flagrant lies? Pathological?
    137. Said his 2001 Tax Cut was originally designed (during the height of the Clinton boom) as a stimulus. Do not need more wind in a hurricane.
    138. Dan Bartlett : “?Since he was not flying there was no need for him to take physical?. He was grounded because he refused to take a physical. Quite plain on his record. Snort snort gurgle gurgle.
    139. Campaign official: “There was no special deal for him to get into the National Guard.! A lie for infamy.
    140. Most small business owners pay income tax at the 39.6% rate. Boy, 5% Is not most. Why such blatant lies? Pathological?
    141. Al Q and Iraq are in cahoots. Tea together each afternoon.
    142. Lie to democratic caucus.
    143. Discovery of cannisters is proof Iraq is not cooperating with the inspectors.
    144. “I am a Uniter not a Divider. Sho! Got the world united against us.
    145. Ken Lay : “First met him in 1994. Very stupid lie.
    146. Ken Lay supported my opponent. Yuk! You are sick to make such blatant misstatements .
    147. Am Iraqi agent met with Al Q Mohamed Atta in Prague. Phantom meeting.
    148. Condi Rice : “No one ever dreamed of such a thing as a plane being used as a bomb?. How many times must they tell you Condi?
    149. Ari : “There will be no social security for young people?. Well! I must have been wrong. So, what is new.
    150. ?I visited the Space Center in Houston while Governor?. No you did not . Why does this BOY say such things?
    151. The recession began before I took office. Oh No.
    152.?You can?t say one thing and do another?. ?My tax cut will not cause deficits even in a recession.?.
    153. Colin Powell before UN: ?The tape clearly establishes a connection between Osama Bin Laden and Hussein, beyond all question.? (The tape when played in it?s entirety told a very different story.)
    154. Colin showed a photo which he alleged was a plant producing chemical weapons. Baloney. Old buildings. Small bakery. Thirty reporters went to the site and said ?Bunk?. It was on European TV but did you see it on American TV?
    155. Ari said the evidence by the UN inspectors of a missile which could travel beyond UN limitations was a breach. Iraq said it varied in distance according to payload. Russian authority said it was reported to the UN. The extra distance was minimal. It could go 120 miles which will just about make it a Serious Security Risk for America?
    156. Newsday-2-23-03-Bush and Ari lied whey they said the Blue Chip Forecast showed the economy would grow at 3.3% this year if Bush tax cut is passed. Randall Moore editor of Blue Chip denied the claim. Why do these BOYS keep making such false claims? White House personnel became almost hysterical in trying to spin it.
    157. ?I support After-School Programs?. In 10-2-03 letter he sent to After School Alliance. Cut the funding by 40% per E.J. Dionne in Washington Post on 3-7-03. Rep. George Miller said ?Not unexpected. It was a Clinton Program. There is obviously a search-and-destroy mission against anything that was Clinton?. Nice Christian group?
    158. Reuters-3-7-03-The U.S. and British lied about their proof Iraq imported Uranium. The IAEA concluded it was a false charge. Psychos? .
    159. 2-28-03-Speech on Homelnd Secuirty-?I proposed 3.5B for first Responders. He proposed an increase of 1B not 3.5B as he claimed He vetoed 400 Million passed by Congress for First Responders and in 2002 he actually froze money for them.
    160. Colin: ?They are hiding banned arms in mobile laboratories?. Outlook India. Com 3-6-03 ?Hans Blix stated? No evidence of such activities has been found. He said his inspectors had followed U.S. leads and got nothing?.
    161. January 3, 2003: ?My Jobs Program(for rich) will create 2.1 million jobs and the tax cut shave been front loaded to have as much effect in the first year as possible. January 8th-White House document released showed that job creation will be about 190,000 in 2003. NY Times Edmund L. Andrews 1-9-03.
    162. Ameri-Corps : “Wash. Post Dana Milbank-2-27-03-?During SOUA Bush made it a central part of his ?Compassionate Conservative? program and called for it to grow to 75,000 from 50,000. Instead, It is possible enrollment will be 26,000 this year. In December of 2002 Bush said it was ?expanding mightily?. The funding will be 64 million short in 2003.?.
    163. Salmon Fish Story-Seattle Post Intelligence 1-16-03-Bush said ?the salmon runs can be restored without building dams. The man and fish can coexist. Bush is still holding up 4 million to help them coexist.
    164. Paul Krugman-NY Times-2-25-03-President Vincente Fox of Mexico felt betrayed by his good buddy Bushlite. Old Bushie (promises made-promises kept) promised to give amnesty to all illegal immigrants from Mexico. Next time Vicente watch who you trust. Be sure they are solid Christians! Remember this is White House overflowing with Dignity and Integrity. Plus convicted criminals. Plus pathological liars.
    165. Wash. Post 2-26-03-?I have not made up my mind on war (slaughtering ) . John Bolton, Undersecretary of State said ?We are going ahead UN or no UN. It is already final? I am a leader? I am in charge? I will make the decision?.
    166. Ari said ?We know they have it (WMD). A list of 25 sites were quietly provided.? Hans Blix challenged Bush and Powell to put up or shut up?. The info they provided has been junk-junk-junk said UN Inspectors.
    167. Ari ?Bush is willing to be patient?. The very next day Bush said ?time is running out?. Who is in charge? Do these boys speak to each other?.
    168.?I am willing to offer them food and energy assistance if they stop their nuke-uler program.? I say what I mean. When my mind is made up it stays made up. Do we have a scorched brain here?
    169. Colin tried to paste a link between Saddam and Al Queda by saying ?a sinister nexus between Iraq and the Al Queda network.? He used as proof a chemical weapons training center in an area controlled by Ansar al-Islam. Reporters visited he area and found no proof.
    In fact, the group hates Saddam and Al Queda.
    170. 2-3-03 White House Fact Sheet-?The budget would be in double digit deficit if there had never been a tax cut in 2001. The budget returned to deficit because of War, Recession and emergencies associated with the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11?. Whoever wrote the Fact Sheet did not look at Historical tables volume of White house budget. Page 5 read: An economic slowdown began in 2001 and was exacerbated by the terrorists attack of September 11. The ?deterioration? in the performance of the economy came together ?with income tax relief? provided to help offset the economic slowdown and additional spending in response to the terrorist attacks produced a drop in the surplus to 127.1 billion and a return to deficits in 2002.
    171. Bush said only North Korea was to blame for crisis. Colin Powell gave ?great credit? to Clinton for freezing NK plutonium enrichment program in the 1994 Framework Then. Wash Post reported a senior Bush administration official suggested the nuclear crisis was the predictable result of a flawed 1994 agreement signed by Clinton with Pyongyang that ?frontloaded all the benefits and left the difficult things to the end for the next president (Clinton). Honor, Dignity, and Integrity. It got lost somehow.
    A great source of Bush lies is Sam Parry article of 11-4-02 in http://www.consortiumnews.com headed ?Bush?s Life of Deception?.
    172. The Education as number one priority has slipped through the cracks. The 2004 Budget of Bush eliminated 45 educational programs. A total of 1.6 Billion. Major ones are Comprehensive School Reform ( $ 235 million). Rural Education ( $ 162.5 million). Smaller Learning Communities ( $ 142.2millon). Perkins Loans ( $ 100 million). Regional Educational Laboratories( $ 67.5 million). Leveraging Educational Asst. Partnerships( $ 67 million). Preparing teachers to use technology ( $ 62.5 million). Community Service of expelled students ( $ 50 million). Parental Asst. Info. Centers ( $ 40 million). Physical Education Programs ( $ 50 million). Community Technology Centers( $ 32.5 millon). Fund for the Improvement of Education was cut by( $ 361 million). Source is Report by House Budget Committee (Democratic Caucus-John Spratt Jr.) 2-4-03: “this c- student a loose in land of learning! .
    173. NY Times-3-10-03?Elizsabeth Rumiller-?Antiwar Clerics wonder if Bush hears their call?. Cardinal Pio Laghi a peace emissary sent by the Pope John Paul II to meet with Bush said ?he was told he could not talk to reporters in the White House driveway where microphones are routinely set up for visitors to the Oval Office. (Ari Fleischer said it was not true. Cardinal Laghi held a press conference anyway. Will you believe emissary from Pope or Ari?).
    174.Harper?s magazine-Weekly Review-3-4-03: “Bush administration officials hinted Russia might have a hard time collecting it?s Iraqi debts, if it fails to support Bush war plans. (Other Security Council members were being told they would pay a ?heavy price? for refusing to support Bush. Ari said, in effect, that they were all lying).
    175. Consortium News-11-4-02-In the October 11 debate Bush said the Clinton-Gore administration ?took 40 million acres of land out of circulation without consulting local officials. He said: ?I just cited an example of the administration just unilaterally acting without any input.? (The Forest Service conducted 600 public meetings.) (Like Father like son ?I will do (or say) anything to win?. GHW Bush in 1992.).
    176. Bush said during the debate ?Our water in Texas is cleaner now?. The Sierra Club said ?The discharge of industrial toxic pollution into surface waters in Texas increased from 23.2 million pounds in 1995 to 25.2 million pounds in 1998 the last year of available data (Bush hiding it?).
    177. Bush said: ?I do not need polling to tell me what to think?. NBC News 10-6-00 reported Bush spent over one million dollars on polling during his campaign. It was widely reported that during first two years in the White House over one million per year was spent on polling as much as Clinton spent over first two years.
    ?Who cares what you think?. He must have meant it for all Americans.
    Reporter-Writer Sam Parry writes ?Bush?s growing record of lies, both big and small, suggest something perhaps more troubling. His personal history of heavy drinking, drug use, carousing, disappearances from military duty, repeated business failures and political hypocrisies — combined with his ability to avoid ever paying a significant price for his deceptions – have given him a sense of his own infallibility?.
    Paul Krugman-NY Times-(on wmnf-fm-tampa 2-26-03)-The Bush administration?s level of irresponsibility and dishonesty is unprecedented?. Amen! .
    .
    Washington Post Editorial on Bush Tax Cut: ?Mr. Bush must know how phony his ?averages? are. Anytime a salesman has to resort to such deceptive tactics, the customer ought to be wary about what is being sold?.
    Dennis Hans writes: ?I review below 23 ?techniques of deception? of Bush and his foreign-policy team.?.
    178. Colin before UN: ?My colleagues, every statement I make today is backed up by sources, solid sources. These are not assertions. What we are giving you are facts and conclusions based on solid intelligence.? (Powell presented now discredited presentations of bogus tales based on discredited defectors, tortured captives, photos and tape recordings that proved little or nothing. Wild speculation. A ?fine British dossier built on plagiarized essays with 12 year old ?revelations? and so on.).
    179.WND Instead of providing proof Powell produced photos of Al-Taji ammunition storage facility. Powell claimed they are a ?signature item? for chemical bunkers. A picture of a truck and a shed by themselves reveal nothing about the content of the adjacent bunker. Swinney note: Reporters visited the site only a couple days later and found a small bakery and dilapidated buildings.
    180. Powell used tapes of conversations. (The State Department?s transcript of the actual conversation makes it evident that Powell had embellished the quote to make it appear much more incriminating. Intent to deceive is LYING.).
    181. Bush claimed the location of Samoud 2 Missiles was ?the Tip of the Iceberg?. (He has produced nothing to back up such a claim. If he has information he is required to notify the inspectors under UN Resolution.) .
    182 Powell stated there were labs in remote Kurdistan. (No proof.) .
    183. Powell stated there were mobile labs with WMD. (No proof. Hans Blix?s inspectors followed all leads supplied by U.S. Intelligence and some inspectors called US Intelligence information ?junk? and kept them on wild goose chases (found two mobile food kitchens). http://www.accuracy.org has several examples of deception.).
    184. Bush said during his speech to UN Security Council on Sept 12 ?Iraq has made several attempts to buy high-strength aluminum tubes used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.” In his SOUA on Jan 28 he repeated it.
    185. Bush made inference eight times to a tie between Iraq and Al Qaeda in his news conference. By citing 9/11 he tried to alchemize American anger at Al Qaeda into support for smashing Saddam. (No proof of Saddam-Al Qaeda connection.).
    186. Bush said location of Samoud2 Missiles was ?Tip of Iceberg?. No proof of any iceberg. If he has proof he is in violation of UN Resolution by withholding information from inspectors.
    Noted Journalist Sy Hearst-?There is no real standard of integrity because the White House doesn?t have any?.
    Paul Krugman-NY Times-America?s leadership has lost touch with reality. The eagerness to believe that an Iraq nuclear program does exist has led to a series of embarrassing debacles capped by the forged Niger papers. It is clear that deposing Saddam has become an obsession.?.
    187. -03-13-03–AP-Niko Price-From Al-Taji, Iraq–IRAQ DRONE. Iraqi officials took journalists to the Ibn Firna State Company just north of Baghdad where the drone?s project director said Colin Powell and Bush lied. The Drone was made of Balsa wood with two small propellers attached to what looks like the engine of a weed whacker.
    188. Bush II Shootout at OK Corral speech : “?Every measure was taken to avoid war??words will live in infamy. One analyst revealed 21 lies Bush spoke in his ?24 hour to leave Dodge? speech. 189. David Ensor -CNN Wash. Bureau-3-14-03-Powell referred to proof of Iraq attempting to buy uranium in his UN presentation.(Totally false. Fake documents.).
    190. Wash Post-3-21-03-Glenn Kessler : “?It?s a bald face lie to claim the ?coalition? is greater than the one on 1991? per Ivo H.Daalder of Brookings Institute.( The comparison is not even close.).
    191. Ari said several times ?Iraq is a wealthy nation?. Los Angeles Times Warren Vieth article 4-3-03– (The Iraq balance sheet is a Basket case. Financial shambles. Debt load. Cash flow low. Shaky currency. High unemployment. Sounds like George Bush had been in charge for past ten years!).
    192.The Strait Times (Singapore) listed by Common Dreams.org on 10-28-03- Malaysian Prime Minister Mohamad said President Bush ?lied? when he said ?I pulled him aside at the Bangkok Summit and rebuked him for his anti-Semitic remarks?. Now. Which would you believe?
    193.Condi Rice and others said the administration never said ?imminent threat.–?May 7th 2003?Ari Fleischer said ?absolutely? when he was asked ?didn?t we go to war because we said WMD were a direct and imminent threat?? http://www.The DailyMislead.org
    194.Bush claimed UN Inspectors were not allowed into Iraq before his slaughter. The UN weapons Inspectors were forced to leave when Bush began his slaughter. This lie was unbelievable. Does he know anything?
    195 thru 207. I will not list the 12 lies by Condi Rice but you can get details at: aw heck I erased the site. Sorry. Will look for it.
    208. Bush stated he first learned of POW abuses from videos like most Americans. Colin Powell Per Mark Matthews of Baltimore Sun on 5-12-04 quoted Colin Powell ?I and other top officials kept the President fully informed in general terms about complaints made by the Red Cross and others on ill treatment of prisoners in American custody.? Bush was informed a year earlier than videos. A typical Bush spin will be to use ?in general terms? like I did not know Planes would crash in north side of twin towers. No one told me North side. So, I is innocent.
    209. Bicycle fall at Crawford. Spokeslady said ?it was due to so much rain and ground was wet.? Ground was very dry. No rain in many days. I cannot comprehend why it is necessary to spin such irrelevant negatives. What is wrong with these people? Animal House, Crazy House, Nut House or what?

    Send comments to http://www.cwswinney@netzero.net

    Comment by clarence swinney — July 3, 2004 @ 10:17 am

57. Newt and company spent $110,000,000 on hearings and investigations on the Clinton Administration.

    What did they get?

    One–one person who was–”convicted”–of a–”felony”–which was “commited” while “working for” President Clinton.

    Mike Espy Chief of Staff pled guilty to taking a few trips to ball games, etc.

    He could not afford to fight OIC Smaltzsmear.

    Had he fought he would have been found not guilty.

    Smaltzsmear said there was no quid pro quo.

    Comment by clarence swinney — July 3, 2004 @ 10:26 am

58. Begala spoke to boos given Cheney at Yankee Stadium. Novak countered Clinton got boos at a ball game.

    I was surprised Begala did not knock it out of park.

    Clinton got a “few” boos.

    Cheney got a crescendo of boos.

    Quite a difference.

    People love Bill Clinton. Let us see Cheney record after he leaves in Nov. If he is still alive.

    President Clinton had the highest poll ratings in Peacetime of any American President in Europe, Asia and Africa. Per Reuters.

    30 CLINTON CHARACTER LIST
    Thank you ?For caring for
    Children
    Elderly
    Poor
    Students
    Schools
    Educational Infrastructure
    Disabled
    Small Business
    Americans who suffered losses in natural disasters
    For 22.4 Million Net New Jobs
    For better paying jobs
    For increasing the Minimum Wage
    For keeping our servicemen and women out of harm?s way
    For making America a proud nation thru the eyes of friends
    For having a popularity rating of 98.5% in a Moscow Poll
    For having the highest poll ratings of any Peacetime President in Europe-Africa-Asia
    For being an active church attendee
    For carrying your Bible to church all your life
    For carrying your small brother to church each Sunday
    For being a devoted and successful father
    For giving America Hillary to serve us
    For trying to de-politicize politics
    For not having a Mean bone in your body
    For not being vengeful toward your opponents
    For your sincere faith in a living God
    For being polite and gracious to all persons you meet
    For a sincere, caring attitude toward my family
    For a being worse golfer than I
    For having, in eight years, only one member of your administration ?convicted? of a ?felony? which was ?committed while working for you?.
    For standing up, without a whimper, to the attacks which spent $110,000,000 in a failed effort to destroy your administration.
    For you and Hillary being my choice for my– Lifeaholics Of America Award– for a quarter century of Service To Mankind.
    For Working For A Life Not Just A Living
    Just know this Mr. President Hundreds of millions in this world LOVE YOU as does GOD.
    Clarence Swinney
    PO Box 3411
    Burlington NC 27215
    President-Retired
    Lifeaholic of America—(work for a life not just a living)
    ?

    Here is why?

    Comment by clarence swinney — July 3, 2004 @ 10:33 am

59. Pathological liars–Limbaugh and Coulter

    I docummented 117 Lies on 155 pages by Ann Coulter. In her book “Hi Slimes”and 62 posts on JWR.

    Mush Dimbaugh said “That Media Watch group FAIR edited 4,000 hours of my transcripts and found 45 little errors”.

    Sorry Mush! I got the report from FAIR and it was 10,400 LIES in 4,000 hours.

    Comment by clarence swinney — July 3, 2004 @ 10:39 am

60. Novak, Who gave you Valerie Plame, you traitor! What traitor in the White House blew her cover! What other sensitive information have you betrayed!”

    Wil Burns

    Comment by Wil Burns — July 3, 2004 @ 11:21 am

61. Nothing to see here – Coulda Been a Contenda edition

    The Hubble Space Telescope has quite possibly discovered a hundred new planets.

    Trackback by Stumax.com — July 3, 2004 @ 11:38 am

62. From an earlier posting:

    Trust this Gang?Mr. Swinney has been cataloguing the endless stream of lies of the George W. Bush administration, which is up near the 200 mark as of May 22, 2003. Here is his list…

    Whoa, ease up! It’s generally considered bad form to post this much content in any talkback forum. If you’ve got this much to say, put in on the web and just post a URL. There’s no defense for this much posting.

    rday

    P.S. It’s also bad form to make it look like you’re not the author. Note the reference to “Mr. Swinney” and “This is his list …” when it was in fact Mr. Swinney himself who did the posting. That’s pretty classless.

    Comment by rday — July 3, 2004 @ 2:03 pm

63. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST Clarence!

    Could you just post a goddamned link instead of cutting and pasting the Library of Fucking Congress into the comments?

    Arrrgh.

    Comment by renato — July 3, 2004 @ 3:10 pm

64. You can’t reason with a bully. Sometimes you’ve gotta pop ‘em in the face. It often works, as Begala so exquisitely proved.

    Comment by Vork — July 3, 2004 @ 5:55 pm

65. Remember that Novak knew full well what he was doing when he outed Valerie Plame, having been the one who complained about Johnny Spann’s being POST-HUMOUSLY identified in 2001 by George Tenet.

    Comment by POIUYT — July 3, 2004 @ 6:21 pm

66. Selective editing…

    Proving once again that, without context, you can make sense out of nonsense…. The left has been having fun with this Crossfire transcript of Paul Begala accusing Bob Novak of alleging that Clinton was involved in deaths surrounding assorted scandals…

    Trackback by QandO — July 4, 2004 @ 10:52 am

67. “Wonder how Novak feels about the Bush campaign’s use of Hitler imagery to attack Kerry.

    posted by: rilkefan at July 2, 2004 07:14 PM”

    just wondering if you are going to condemn the ad… you do realize it was a montage of Democrat negative ads from Moveon & various hate filled lefty screeds from the Demo establishment…

    just pointing out why many Dems like me (who was a big supporter of Harold Ford Jr. to be minority speaker rather than Pelosi), who were disgusted by repubs during the 90s and are disgusted at what this party has become are leaving the party… I criticized those tactics then and they are no more justified now… the Dems have lost their way… If we cant bring ourseves to even rebuke agitprop like F911, then how can my party ever have credibility…

    we have no message but hate… that never got anybody elected…

    and can we stop the rediculous ‘GWB took us to war under false pretenses & Bush lied about WMDs’ meme…

    rather than cut and paste the voluminous quotes, I’ll post a link and take the Begala approach… these are their own words… If Bush lied so did these esteemed and wise Dems… (for the record, I dont think that either did)

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

    and for those that dont think the Iraq war was justified, see the following:

    http://qando.net/archives/002062.htm

    please read the whole link ridden thing before you unleash a coulter-esque torrent of ad hominems on me about being a traitor to my party or the cause or whatever…I am no freeper or troll or whathaveyou… I am a Democrat… and embarrassed at what my party has embraced and become…

    Comment by great Satan — July 4, 2004 @ 12:37 pm

68. If we cant bring ourseves to even rebuke agitprop like F911, then how can my party ever have credibility…

    we have no message but hate… that never got anybody elected…

    I am a Democrat… and embarrassed at what my party has embraced and become…

    No you’re not. I smell disinformation ops…

    Comment by renato — July 4, 2004 @ 12:39 pm

69. If we cant bring ourseves to even rebuke agitprop like F911, then how can my party ever have credibility…

    we have no message but hate… that never got anybody elected…

    I am a Democrat… and embarrassed at what my party has embraced and become…

    You sound like a Zell Miller Democrat.

    I smell disinformation ops…

    Comment by renato — July 4, 2004 @ 12:40 pm

70. http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp

    Oh please. Snopes.com is right-wing. Go look at their entries on Kerry and W.

    You’re a Lieberman-Zell Democrat. GFY.

    Comment by renato — July 4, 2004 @ 12:42 pm

71. I don’t see how snopes.com is “right-wing.” Example?

    Comment by cj_ — July 4, 2004 @ 1:48 pm

72. as I suggested, go look up Bush and then Kerry at snopes.com

    Make a note of which ‘rumors’ about Bush are NOT mentioned at all there.

    Make a note of which ‘rumors’ about Kerry ARE mentioned, even ones you’ve never heard of.

    Notice how they treat Bush with kid gloves and do their best to spread negative memes about Kerry, even ones you’ve never heard of.

    If you browse snopes.com enough, you’ll see what I mean. They most definitely have chosen sides.

    Comment by renato — July 4, 2004 @ 2:57 pm

73. Could someone post the link to the Novak video?

    Also, you’re correct that Snopes is right wing. A while back I sent Snopes an item about Green Party activists being stopped at airports and prevented from flying in the wake of 9/11. Snopes (in snide and hostile terms) declared that it wasn’t true. When I asked what evidence he researched to make that determination, he relied on a government spokesman’s denial — and nothing else.

    Later, the allegations were revealed to be 100% true.

    Snopes is not the authority people like to think. There is a bias in the site’s “debunkings.”

    Comment by Hudson — July 4, 2004 @ 6:41 pm

74. “I am no freeper or troll or whathaveyou… I am a Democrat… and embarrassed at what my party has embraced and become…”
    posted by: great Satan at July 4, 2004 12:37 PM

    Oh please! I know a Freeper clown when I smell one, and the air around you is really foul. Go slink back to your buddies at Free Republic. You must think we’re as stupid as you are, you moron.

    Comment by Scullygrrrl — July 5, 2004 @ 1:49 am

75. Has anyone noticed that no matter what Novak says about an African American, he always brings that issue into play? (i.e., constant reference to Al Sharpton becoming the V.P. candidate.) At least Tucker provides interesting “fodder” for debate, and I feel he secretly regrets our having gone into Iraq. Has anyone ever noticed that Novak doesn’t give an opinion on Gay issues? He really needs to “come out” and show some guts. CNN will never get rid of him, nor his pal, Judy. She seems to use him as her “expert” commendator all the time. She needs to retire, too.

    Comment by Gail — July 5, 2004 @ 5:24 am

76. Tucker has not been secret about his regrets. He semi-famously wrote that he’d been ‘talked into’ supporting the war.

    Comment by renato — July 5, 2004 @ 5:36 am

77. More on Snopes:

    http://dev.puddingbowl.org/archives/003176.php

    Comment by zudz — July 5, 2004 @ 2:42 pm

78. Your Blog was featured on 3-Blogs A Day. I hope this gains you at least one new reader. Thanks.

    Comment by Fryguy — July 6, 2004 @ 5:55 am

79. Novak in the Crossfire for distortions

    ? Begala busted Novak
    ? Stephanopolous busted Novak
    ? Barry Lynn busted Novak

    Trackback by Media Matters for America — July 6, 2004 @ 6:49 am

80. “just wondering if you are going to condemn the ad… you do realize it was a montage of Democrat negative ads from Moveon & various hate filled lefty screeds from the Demo establishment…

    Those were ads submitted to MoveOn’s contest by outsiders and were never formally approved by anyone at MoveOn and certainly not by anyone involved with the “Demo establishment.”

    By your (faulty, maybe even nonexistent) logic, I could blame George W. Bush for David Duke.

    Comment by Tom Beck — July 6, 2004 @ 8:19 am

81. You fight fire with fire. If you bend over to play nice…in the immortal words of a vice-president you’ll “fuck yourself”. Although I admire their intent, the Democrats who insist that we play nice are the same ones who have led us into Bushit.

    It is time that we play to win!

    Comment by Ron — July 6, 2004 @ 8:27 am

82. Oh God, I LOVE you people!!!!

    I have been so whipped for so long by the right, their media dogs, and the Chritsianists in this godforsaken Texas town that I thought I was the only one out there seeing the truth anymore. Nothing inherently wrong with normal Christians, but we are swimming here in nutty Talibani types who want to rule the the country and tell the people how to live by co-opting the government. AND IT’S WORKING!!!!!! Bush Country is downright scary these days; and here I thought I was so alone… People such as yourselves are starting to give me hope again.

    Thank God we can start to speak up again. I’m so psyched for this election!

    Love you love you!

    Comment by rigor — July 6, 2004 @ 10:28 am

83. grrrrr, novak make me angry!

    Comment by handlename33 — July 6, 2004 @ 11:04 am

84. scullygrrl,
    thats it…
    keep up the ad homenims…
    you look more & more like Coulter every day…
    thanks for proving my point…

    Comment by great Satan — July 6, 2004 @ 11:30 am

85. great Satan, if the shoe fits, wear it.

    You’re a troll and not a very clever one at that.

    “I’m a lifelong Democrat but I think Democrats are just sooooo angry! We should be more like Lieberman!”

    GFY.

    Comment by renato — July 6, 2004 @ 11:32 am

86. Robert Novak is becoming unhinged. I would too, if my lifetime career was going to go down in flames over the leaking of a CIA agent’s identity – a felony. I already wrote to Meet The Press after I obtained a transcript because I was incredulous when I saw the program. After confirming what I saw and heard on MTP, I wrote them an E-mail and expressed my fury that Tim Russert let such an outrageous statement lie, unchallenged. Good for Paul Begala for saying it aloud. Novak should be placed on suspension until the matter is resolved.

    Comment by Marie Harris — July 6, 2004 @ 11:43 am

87. Do you people really have time to care/worry/whine/complain about what Bob Novak says and what he means by it?!!! Get a freaking life, or better yet, a JOB! Novak is just a mean-spirited, dishonest, right wing lunatic. So is Pat Buchanan. Oh, and here’s a neat trick…change “right” to “left” in that sentence and you have given a perfect description of Begala and Carville. I don’t know who is more pathetic, those four clowns for spewing their vitriol, or all of you clowns for bothering with it. Grow up…

    Comment by dgb — July 6, 2004 @ 12:07 pm

88. Just a quick comment in the interest of making sure all errors are corrected:

    Porky Pig is the one who stutters; Elmer Fudd is the one who talks like Baba Wawa.

    Comment by Pat — July 6, 2004 @ 12:10 pm

89. renato:

    RE: snopes…
    regardless of their bias (I’ll take your word there is a bias…i dont believe this to be the case in this instance because they include the entire context of all the Dems in question’s quotes… and they are all public record) but regardless of this supposed bias, didnt all of these prominent members of my party say these things? its not like every single statement was made up by snopes???
    after all Im only using Begalas tactics… all all of these statements made, on the record, by Democrats support the ‘Big Lie’ about WMDs…

    observe:
    “In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

    It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons. Should he succeed in that endeavor, he could alter the political and security landscape of the Middle East, which as we know all too well affects American security.

    Now this much is undisputed. The open questions are: what should we do about it? How, when, and with whom? …”
    ~Hillary Clinton
    http://clinton.senate.gov/speeches/iraq_101002.html
    so please… I speak up as a concerned Dem and voice concern over the tactics we use and how the repercussions to the party may be counterproductive and I get labelled by ‘the man’ (read: renato) as a disinformation op…
    sad…

    RE: my democratic credentials…

    I am more of a Harold Ford Jr/John Breaux kind of Democrat… and a Mike Totten kind of media consumer…but if your into labels, and want to label me as you like, I’ll gladly take off my “Zell Miller’ hat when you take off your Senator Byrd Hood…

    digital brownshirts indeed…

    I guess Al Gore was right… we are just to blind with hate to see that is what we’ve become… ‘win at all costs’…and if these tactics continue… we may win… but Kerry will be Carter-ized and Dems like me will be marginalized…

    we better be careful for what we wish for.

    Comment by geat Satan — July 6, 2004 @ 12:16 pm

90. Hi all
    It is very enterteining to keep hammaring this Novak creature. How about doing something better yet? How about puting as much energy to ensure that on Jenuary 2005 This Novak will say that President Kerry killed people? How about to put such an effort that this Novak will have his say about President Kerry for the next 8 years?

    PS : it will allow the sub-human Rush in the limbo to justify few more of his illigal pills purchses.

    Safi in Bizarkeley (the leftist Mecca of CA)

    Comment by Safi — July 6, 2004 @ 1:16 pm

91. renato:

    you can call me what you like, no matter how wrong you are about it…
    and I never mention lieberman at all…
    nice try at mischaracterization…

    Comment by great Satan — July 6, 2004 @ 2:03 pm

92. Mr. Beck:

    at the beiginning of the thread, rilkefan posed the question, ‘…Wonder how Novak feels about the Bush campaign’s use of Hitler imagery to attack Kerry.’

    I responded by pointing out the the ad wasnt a negative ad that used Hitler to attack Kerry, but quite the opposite, a rebuke of the use of negative ads that use the image of Hitler to attack Bush by Kerry supporters (moveon) and the Demo establishment (I guess Al Gore, Howard Dean & Ted Kennedy arent the demo establishment anymore)…cuz they are featured in the montage as well…
    but those are the images used to attack Kerry… our own.
    the ad uses a montage of negative ads attacking Bush and somehow its been turned into Bush ‘using Hitner to attack Kerry’…
    this is only further proving my point…

    you wrote,
    “…Those were ads submitted to MoveOn’s contest by outsiders and were never formally approved by anyone at MoveOn and certainly not by anyone involved with the “Demo establishment.”

    By your (faulty, maybe even nonexistent) logic, I could blame George W. Bush for David Duke.

    posted by: Tom Beck at July 6, 2004 08:19 AM…”

    I respectfully respond by saying,
    its not my logic… its rilkefan’s…

    and btw, David Duke has more in common with the esteemed Senator Byrd (a Democrat) than Bush… Byrd was actually a member of the Klan…

    hope that clears it up…

    Comment by great Satan — July 6, 2004 @ 2:29 pm

93. I agree with most of what was written. I am amazed that Novak has not been investigated yet fgor the CIA leak, but why would this Justice Department ever go after a Bush supporter, its easier to lock up American citizens forever and never charge them,just call them “enemy combatants”. There is nothing wrong with being a lefty liberal, that means that you are open-minded, not like our neo-con friends, who never read a history book or the Constitution, but make shit up as they go along.

    I love Crossfire because Paul doesn’t put up with Novak’s rhetoric….and you notice that Novak is NEVER wrong about anything (like Bush). The problem with these morons (Novak, Scarborough, Savage, Hannity, O’Wrongly, and my personal favorite, Ann “She-devil” Coulter) is that they claim to be intelligent, open-minded and fair/balanced, but they never allow someone who disagrees with them to open their mouth! That is how you win, tire out your opponent until they give up, because its not worth it.

    Clinton was shady, but nothing compared to the bunch of crooks we have now…lets hope the American people see the error of their ways come November and vote for a real leader, not a dress-up doll playing president. Unfortunately, so many people think that life is great and that we are “winning” the war on terror. If so, where is Bin Laden? Where are the people responsible for 9/11? Sadaam was never a threat, we made sure of that back in 1991, and Clinton crushed any chance of a WMD resurection back during his term (a fact that has been overlooked my many Bush supporters).

    I just hope that everyone who chimed in here will be voting for Kerry come November.

    Comment by mbf1978 — July 6, 2004 @ 2:47 pm

94. Write to CNN, let them know that we are tired of them parading Repuglican talking points as news. Tell them to fire Novak–its something they should have done a long time ago!

    Gremlin

    Comment by Gremlin — July 6, 2004 @ 4:32 pm

95. Here’s their address:

    http://edition.cnn.com/feedback/

    Grem-let them know how you feel!

    Comment by Gremlin — July 6, 2004 @ 4:39 pm

96. We’re Dealing With Amateurs

    Frankly, I’m happy to let Paul Begala continue to school Bob Novak on Crossfire if it means he’s not in Kerry’s war room. David Adesnik shares my distate for the liberal blogosphere’s standard spin on Farenheit 9/11, but it’s mostly…

    Trackback by Kalblog — July 6, 2004 @ 6:53 pm

97. Hasn’t anyone got a petition going to have Novak fired and/or indicted?

    also – Mr. Sweeney if you need a place to post all that, and you have the sources to back it up, contact me.

    Comment by Morgaine Swann — July 6, 2004 @ 8:52 pm

98. Hey, somebody get that petition going, I’ll sign it, and I know a ton of people who would love to get in on that. As for getting an invetigation or indictment going, it is a worthy cause, I recommend writing your congressman/woman. The problem is that the Repubs are still in control, and most of them are nuts too. I live in Texas and have to deal with the likes of John Cornyn, who has his head so far up Bush’s @ss that he would never question the ‘war president’. The problem is that any representatives or senators that dare question this administration, or demand that it uphold and abide by the law are labeled unpatriotic and smeared. That is how you win elections, character attacks and lies. Very few reps have the balls to go after these goons, and the ignorant masses just do what the not so liberal media tells them to. But write your reps, and give it a shot. Maybe if enough people swamp the leadership with complaints, something will get done.

    I recently wrote something to about 15 congressional leaders and 10+ major media outlets regarding the Padilla case and the Supreme Court. I even sent Michael Moore a copy, but I have not heard word one back from anyone. The voice of the people is often ignored when politicians are only concerned with reelection.

    Comment by mbf1978 — July 7, 2004 @ 7:24 am

99. ‘That is how you win elections, character attacks and lies…’~mbf1978

    no its not.

    Comment by great Satan — July 7, 2004 @ 8:40 am

100. So Great Satan, enlighten me…..How do you win elections? Get the most votes? Gore did that and lost. Character assasination is a key ingredient of modern elections. If you don’t believe me, go check ou the drudgereport and see the stuff that was posted as soon as Kerry announced he was searching for a running mate. Drudge slammed Hillary, Edwards and Gephardt. And there is daily whining about how “Liberal” and evil Kerry is. Give me a break…..when people like Hannity equate liberals with terrorists and other evils, and Coulter calls liberals treasonist, then what else do you call it?

     Please, educate me.

     Comment by mbf1978 — July 7, 2004 @ 8:50 am

101. A LINK FORM CURSOR!!!

     greg, you have arrived. to me, this is a bigger honor than dinner with michael moore.

     congratulations.

     Comment by josh — July 7, 2004 @ 9:28 am

102. Please! Won’t somebody think of the children?!

     Comment by dQm — July 7, 2004 @ 11:55 am

103. I agree that Novak tries to use word association to convince people of all sorts of untruths without directly saying it. He is a shrill and a hack, in addition to a criminal. Whenever I see his ugly mug on the boob tube, I immediately start surfing. Will someone please start a real news channel so I can quit wathcing this drool that passes for news!

     Comment by sjonze — July 7, 2004 @ 12:55 pm

104. Vote for Bush-Cheney 2004

     Lots of good reasons to keep Bush in the White House.

     Trackback by the american street — July 7, 2004 @ 1:46 pm

105. Novak’s eye problems (heavy eyelids) grow conspiculously worse between his early stints on Cross-fire and his later ones on Capital Gang.

     Tee many Martoonies, perhaps?

     Comment by LEB — July 8, 2004 @ 9:13 am

106. I found the connection between 9-11 and Iraq.

     Innocent people died because the Bush administration pushed too hard to get oil.

     In Afghanistan the Bush administration negotiated with the Taliban for an oil pipeline from Jan 2001 until July 2001 when the US gave up and let the Pakistanis that we would invade Afghanistan. The Pakistanis told the Taliban which got Al Qaeda to do a preemptive strike and kill innocent people because of oil.

     In Iraq the Bush administration lied about weapons of mass destruction to then invade Iraq. Innocent Iraqi civilians and US Soldiers died becuase Bush wanted to have a client government it could deal with for oil. Agains Innocent people died for the Republican Party and private oil interests. This includes over 800 US soldiers.

     That apears the connection between 9-11 and Iraq. Oil and the innocent people who died because of the Bush administration.

     Comment by buckfush — July 10, 2004 @ 1:40 am

107. There is no question that the Republicans have perfected the art of lying, thanks to their thick elephant skins and shameless values. They are also consistent and tireless in repeating their lies — on tv, radio, newspapers, etc. — with the belief that by repetition people will eventually believe their lies to be the truth, and it is working for a group of people now known as Braindead Dittoheads. They also believe that if they keep accusing the Democrats of what they are guilty off (lying, twisting facts, flip-flopping, etc.) they will keep on winning elections.

     Democrats need more people like Franken and Moore to balance things out. And because these two do it in an entertaining and amusing way, they are not stooping to the repulsive ways of their Republican counterparts.

     Although I am still bothered by the lies of Novak, Hannity, O’Riley, Limbaugh, and many others, sometimes they amuse for they are like accidental comedians — just like Baghdad Bob. They are completely out-of-touch with reality and unaware of it and that makes them very funny, painfully funny. I see Ann Coulter as America’s Baghdad Blondie. The only thing that Ann proves is that even with a good education, a girl can still be a major dumb and blond bimbo — and there are many like her in the media.

     Comment by Robert — July 11, 2004 @ 12:05 am

108. Great Satan commented, “and for those that dont think the Iraq war was justified, see the following:

     http://qando.net/archives/002062.htm”

     Here is an interesting website I suggest you read:

     http://www.americanprogress.org/AccountTempFiles/cf/%7bE9245FE4-9A2B-43C7-A521-5D6FF2E06E03%7d/PRIRAQCLAIMFACT1029.HTM

     One of the scariest facets of this war is the lack of pre-war knowledge. Colin Powell is the only member of the Bush administration with any type of hands-on experience with war. I strongly recommend you read the comments made in regards to the aftermath of overthrowing Sadaam. Sadaam was by no means a good person so don’t misinterpret my beliefs to be “pro-Sadaam”, but people who have dodged all military service and never experienced war do not understand just how awful war is, and thus should not be aloud to start wars without overwhelming evidence as justification for the war. With that said, here is another great link for you to check out:

     http://www.nhgazette.com/cgi-bin/NHGstore.cgi?user_action=list&category=+NEWS%3B+Chickenhawks

     Lastly, I agree with Great Satan in that there are serious problems in the Democratic Party today, but I see people like Great Satan as the problem. When the “liberal media” attacks Democrats and supports Bush we need leaders who can stand up and fight. Supportive comments from “Democrats” like Lieberman is where the party has failed and continues to fail. The party has sat back and let people like Karl Rove attack while they do nothing (until recently). If you are a Dem, you would not support Bush’s radical right wing agenda.

     Comment by David — July 14, 2004 @ 9:41 pm

109. You people are billiant. I’ve spent such an entertaining afternoon reading all your comments. I’m really encouraged by this discourse. For the record, the FAIR ad comparing Hitler to shallwenotspeakhisname was a submission posted by a contestant for an ad, and was not endorsed by FAIR. Love you guys…Speak on!

     Comment by bushtit — July 16, 2004 @ 5:29 pm

110. Am I the only one who is suspicious of all these “uncontrolled flight into terrain” accidents that kill people like Paul Wellstone, Ashcroft’s opponent and several other “Dangerous Liberals”? Since the Kennedy assasination coverup by the Warren Commission, way too much weird shit has happened in this country, without the press putting the threads together.

     Comment by Jamie — July 19, 2004 @ 8:52 pm

111. Novack is a traitor and should be prosecuted.

     Comment by Alex — July 24, 2004 @ 5:24 am

112. Begala Burns Novack

     And let me ask you, Mr. Novak, with your new self-founded — newfounded self-righteousness, are you going to retract the statement you said last week on “Meet the Press,” where you implied that President Clinton was involved in people’s deaths over Whi…

     Trackback by SoonerThought — July 24, 2004 @ 5:27 am

113. Hello,

     I just found you folks and I must say you’re a refreshing change! I live in Colorado and am one of the few liberals (proud of it) around these parts.

     Novack sounds like a de-barked dog and Tucker’s whining makes me crazy. I wish Paul Begala & James Carville were tougher on them. Do they bother to read? John Dean’s book “Worse Than Watergate”, Molly Ivin’s “Bushwhacked” and Paul O’Neil’s book would give them some answers.

     I fear we will lose in the Fall. The GOP attacks with submachine guns while the DNC stands holding butter knives.

     When the GOP criticizes Kerry’s senate record, why don’t they mention the fact that every business controlled by shrub failed – he prospered, but the businesses tanked. How about that for accomplishment!

     Around my house, we refer to the GOP as “The Borg” and the American Taliban. Let’s hope our fellow citizens wake up.

     FYI, if you’re worried about electronic voting, the CNN crawl said that a group in Florida are telling people to get absentee ballots!

     Comment by Donna — July 30, 2004 @ 3:27 pm

114. The Republican attack dogs and propagandists, with the full cooperation of the media (TV, radio, newspaper) are working overtime 24/7 intensifying negative attacks to Kerry in order to distract Americans from the blunders and failures of Bush and Cheney.

     But they cannot defend the lies that Bush and Cheney told Americans regarding the WMDs and the imminent danger posed by Saddam. Thousands have died in Iraq (Americans and Iraqis) and there is no end in sight.

     They are saying that the economy is improving and the tax cuts are working, but they wont comment on the record breaking deficit that is getting bigger and bigger.

     I for one would like to see a Vietnam Veteran who fought side by side with Bush to introduce Bush at the Republican Convention. I would like Bush to talk about the medals awarded to him for fighting in Vietnam, after all he bragged so much about being a War President. Although lately, he has been bragging as being a Peace President. What a flip flopper.

     Comment by Robert — August 2, 2004 @ 6:18 pm

115. I’m sick of giving these guys a pass by simply thinking “I know what he means even though he didn’t say it quite as he meant to.” No breaks, no prisoners, take them at their words.

     Comment by jac — August 9, 2004 @ 1:36 pm

116. Do a poster in the vain of Mr. Smith Goes To Washington

     Comment by M. James — August 11, 2004 @ 7:51 pm

117. Is it still lowering the discourse if you make a valid point and cite reliable resources, but you tack on “you stupid fuck” at the end?

     Comment by Ryan — August 20, 2004 @ 12:36 am

118. As a canadian, watching with great interest this presidential race I just shake my head when I see all of the people focusing on who said what and who is lying about what. The only thing that matters is: DO YOU WANT TO RE-ELECT A MONSTER WHO HAS THE BLOOD OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS ON HIS HANDS? Does anyone in America seriously believe that George Bush cares one wick about anyone except him and his own family?? How is it possible that the polls are seemingly “neck in neck”??

     Too many people are living their lives in a complete fog, thinking that the Republicans will EVER do anything for ANYONE without FIRST TAKING CARE OF THEMSELVES!! John Kerry may or may not be a good president, but as someone who is not eligible to vote in this election I implore all of you on behalf of all SANE people in the rest of the world…. Talk to all of your friends, family, co-workers, the guy on the bus, etc… and ask people to vote even if they couldn’t care less about politics and hate politicians. THIS MADNESS MUST BE STOPPED!!!

     Thanks and keep putting the word out.

     Peace,

     Doug

     Comment by Doug — August 20, 2004 @ 5:17 pm

119. question is; any of this stuff on valerie p.going
     to come up before election; or not; bet bush holds it back.

     Comment by monty — August 26, 2004 @ 10:14 pm

120. The conservative machine seems to be firing on fewer cylinders of late, Novac is an ass. If I had published the name, any guess where I’d be now? Screw all repukes. I’m sick of them.

     Comment by Brad — August 29, 2004 @ 2:03 pm

121. The conservative machine seems to be firing on fewer cylinders of late, Novac is an ass. If I had published the name, any guess where I’d be now? Screw all repukes. I’m sick of them.

     Comment by Brad — August 29, 2004 @ 2:03 pm

122. This article shows us the real Novak. The contents of this article deserves widespread distribution.

     Comment by Claude Chaney — September 1, 2004 @ 4:11 am

123. Novak said people died. He didn’t say anyone was killed to cover up Whitewater. Novak said people died, such as the judge he mentioned, before they could be questioned a bit more forthrightly due to Starr’s incompetence. A review of the transcripts shows that Begala, on Crossfire, paraphrased Novak’s comments as you have correctly posted them from Meet the Press. Novak was right to say that the comments as paraphrased by Begala were not his.

     Comment by Mike — September 10, 2004 @ 4:59 am

124. No matter how you slice it, Novak is a gutless asshole that deserves jail or to be hit by a truck.

     Bush, Cheney. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz…all gutless “chicken hawks”, that profit while young Americans spill blood in Iraq.

     And Colin Powell, where is your integrity? Why are you still serving these assholes?

     Newt, Tom DeLay, Rush, Anne Coulter, Mike Savage and O’Reilly… You’re all a bunch of pathetic, hate mongering wimps with the soul of a coward.

     Lastly, Reagan being hailed as a great leader during his funeral, was the biggest crock of shit. Take a look at his record for what what it was, not what the Robotlicans would have you believe. Nobody knows how to take chicken shit and pass it off as chicken salad better than the “righties”.

     Comment by Walter — September 10, 2004 @ 7:53 pm

125. One more thing…Novak saying to Begala, “…you went over the line” is a great irony. Hey Novak you spineless idiot, don’t you think that you went over the line when you outed Valerie Plame?

     Comment by Walter — September 10, 2004 @ 7:57 pm

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