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		<title>By: Angel Elf</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/09/09/forged-documents-update/comment-page-1/#comment-3977</link>
		<dc:creator>Angel Elf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Documents fake, Rather lied.  

End of Story
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Documents fake, Rather lied.  </p>
<p>End of Story</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tom&lt;/b&gt;, AFM 35-13 wasn&#039;t being cited to require &quot;foreign language proficiency&quot;.

Here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.glcq.com/regs/35-13_1971.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a PDF of three pages from &lt;b&gt;AFM 35-13&lt;/b&gt;, vintage 1971&lt;/a&gt;.

Now you can see what&#039;s being cited as authority in

(1) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust1.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the CBS/Killian &lt;b&gt;memo&lt;/b&gt; of 1 August 1972&lt;/a&gt; (whose authenticity is being disputed),

and also in

(2) &lt;a href=&quot;http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Major General Greenlief&#039;s &lt;b&gt;order&lt;/b&gt; of 29 September 1972&lt;/a&gt; (whose authenticity has &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; been disputed) ? which confirms &quot;verbal orders of the Comdr on 1 Aug 72 suspending 1STLT GEORGE W BUSH... from flying status&quot;.

AFM 35-13&#039;s Paragraph 2-29m, titled &quot;&lt;b&gt;When a Rated Officer Fails To Accomplish a Medical Examination Prescribed by AFM 160-1&lt;/b&gt;&quot;, states:&lt;blockquote&gt;All rated officers on flying status must accomplish a medical examination annually or biannually (flight surgeons) as prescribed by AFM 160-1.  Failure to accomplish a required medical examination disqualifies the officer for flying duty and he will be suspended effective the first day of the month following his birthmonth, citing this paragraph as authority.&lt;/blockquote&gt;(The next block of text discusses investigating &quot;why the individual failed to accomplish the medical examination&quot;, and convening a board on the matter.)

Greenlief&#039;s order accordingly cites &quot;Authority: Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13.&quot;

George W. Bush was born on 6 July 1946.  The verbal order suspending him was issued &quot;the first day of the month following his birthmonth&quot;, 1 August 1972, according to that &lt;i&gt;undisputed&lt;/i&gt; document in Bush&#039;s official military records.

The CBS/Killian memo dated 1 August 1972 is stating just what the &lt;i&gt;undisputed&lt;/i&gt; record already shows:&lt;blockquote&gt;1. On this date I ordered that 1st Lt. Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination (flight) as ordered.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. I conveyed my verbal orders to commander, 147th Ftr Intrcp Gp with request for orders for suspension and convening of a flight review board IAW AFM 35-13.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Now we can see that this was indeed IAW (in accordance with) AFM 35-13.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Tom</b>, AFM 35-13 wasn&#8217;t being cited to require &#8220;foreign language proficiency&#8221;.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.glcq.com/regs/35-13_1971.pdf" rel="nofollow">a PDF of three pages from <b>AFM 35-13</b>, vintage 1971</a>.</p>
<p>Now you can see what&#8217;s being cited as authority in</p>
<p>(1) <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust1.pdf" rel="nofollow">the CBS/Killian <b>memo</b> of 1 August 1972</a> (whose authenticity is being disputed),</p>
<p>and also in</p>
<p>(2) <a href="http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/grounded.gif" rel="nofollow">Major General Greenlief&#8217;s <b>order</b> of 29 September 1972</a> (whose authenticity has <i>not</i> been disputed) ? which confirms &#8220;verbal orders of the Comdr on 1 Aug 72 suspending 1STLT GEORGE W BUSH&#8230; from flying status&#8221;.</p>
<p>AFM 35-13&#8242;s Paragraph 2-29m, titled &#8220;<b>When a Rated Officer Fails To Accomplish a Medical Examination Prescribed by AFM 160-1</b>&#8220;, states:<br />
<blockquote>All rated officers on flying status must accomplish a medical examination annually or biannually (flight surgeons) as prescribed by AFM 160-1.  Failure to accomplish a required medical examination disqualifies the officer for flying duty and he will be suspended effective the first day of the month following his birthmonth, citing this paragraph as authority.</p></blockquote>
<p>(The next block of text discusses investigating &#8220;why the individual failed to accomplish the medical examination&#8221;, and convening a board on the matter.)</p>
<p>Greenlief&#8217;s order accordingly cites &#8220;Authority: Para 2-29m, AFM 35-13.&#8221;</p>
<p>George W. Bush was born on 6 July 1946.  The verbal order suspending him was issued &#8220;the first day of the month following his birthmonth&#8221;, 1 August 1972, according to that <i>undisputed</i> document in Bush&#8217;s official military records.</p>
<p>The CBS/Killian memo dated 1 August 1972 is stating just what the <i>undisputed</i> record already shows:<br />
<blockquote>1. On this date I ordered that 1st Lt. Bush be suspended from flight status due to failure to perform to USAF/TexANG standards and failure to meet annual physical examination (flight) as ordered.</p>
<p>2. I conveyed my verbal orders to commander, 147th Ftr Intrcp Gp with request for orders for suspension and convening of a flight review board IAW AFM 35-13.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now we can see that this was indeed IAW (in accordance with) AFM 35-13.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Munsil</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/09/09/forged-documents-update/comment-page-1/#comment-3975</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Munsil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 04:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I made a mistake on the kerning in Word, as I mentioned in the earlier thread (Grasping at Straws). When I was active in typography, Word couldn&#039;t kern. Apparently they&#039;ve added that feature, but it&#039;s turned off by default.

More to the point, the documents CBS provided show no evidence of kerning, and the Word doc that Little Green Footballs put together does not have kerning turned on. Moreover, the features they point out as evidence of &quot;kerning&quot; are not kerning at all, and are features that an IBM Executive could do.

It&#039;s still not clear at all that an IBM Executive with the appropriate typeface could make these memos. On the other hand, it&#039;s not at all clear that one couldn&#039;t. To my eye, several of the type samples folks have found from the Executive look remarkably close to the CBS memos.

Now, the guy who runs INDC blog says he&#039;s talked to a type expert who has a database of type styles, and he says that the expert says none of the Executive fonts is a match. That&#039;s a little bit third-hand to me. I&#039;d want to know why they don&#039;t match. I certainly don&#039;t think that Times New Roman matches perfectly, based on the letterforms. 

Just for grins, I typed the phrase that appears in the type sample in this ad:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.etypewriters.com/1953-a-exec-3.JPG&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.etypewriters.com/1953-a-exec-3.JPG&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;IBM Bold Face Type is a strong
straightforward type, distinctly
masculine in character.&quot;

Paste that into Word and set it to Times Bold. Amazing resemblance, no? And the lines break exactly the same! If you set the type to Book Antiqua (Palatino) or Bookman Old Style, the lines don&#039;t break the same.

That must mean that IBM ad is a forgery, as no typewriter could have produced type like that in 1953! Right? Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I made a mistake on the kerning in Word, as I mentioned in the earlier thread (Grasping at Straws). When I was active in typography, Word couldn&#8217;t kern. Apparently they&#8217;ve added that feature, but it&#8217;s turned off by default.</p>
<p>More to the point, the documents CBS provided show no evidence of kerning, and the Word doc that Little Green Footballs put together does not have kerning turned on. Moreover, the features they point out as evidence of &#8220;kerning&#8221; are not kerning at all, and are features that an IBM Executive could do.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s still not clear at all that an IBM Executive with the appropriate typeface could make these memos. On the other hand, it&#8217;s not at all clear that one couldn&#8217;t. To my eye, several of the type samples folks have found from the Executive look remarkably close to the CBS memos.</p>
<p>Now, the guy who runs INDC blog says he&#8217;s talked to a type expert who has a database of type styles, and he says that the expert says none of the Executive fonts is a match. That&#8217;s a little bit third-hand to me. I&#8217;d want to know why they don&#8217;t match. I certainly don&#8217;t think that Times New Roman matches perfectly, based on the letterforms. </p>
<p>Just for grins, I typed the phrase that appears in the type sample in this ad:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.etypewriters.com/1953-a-exec-3.JPG" rel="nofollow">http://www.etypewriters.com/1953-a-exec-3.JPG</a></p>
<p>&#8220;IBM Bold Face Type is a strong<br />
straightforward type, distinctly<br />
masculine in character.&#8221;</p>
<p>Paste that into Word and set it to Times Bold. Amazing resemblance, no? And the lines break exactly the same! If you set the type to Book Antiqua (Palatino) or Bookman Old Style, the lines don&#8217;t break the same.</p>
<p>That must mean that IBM ad is a forgery, as no typewriter could have produced type like that in 1953! Right? Right?</p>
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		<title>By: check</title>
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		<dc:creator>check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Don, I loved your posts earlier (I actually sent them to my liberal boss).  But MS Word can &quot;kern&quot;, although it is not the default option.  I think it&#039;s under format/font.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Don, I loved your posts earlier (I actually sent them to my liberal boss).  But MS Word can &#8220;kern&#8221;, although it is not the default option.  I think it&#8217;s under format/font.</p>
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		<title>By: Misplaced Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misplaced Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 11:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m not convinced one way or the other, but the appearance of &quot;kerning&quot; in the Bush document is partly due to the fact that the ink smudged - it is definitely an illusion.&lt;/p&gt;RE:&lt;blockquote&gt;
Its quite possible that you could produce such a document in 1972, but I&#039;m quite skeptical that someone would have done so in 1972 for a routine memo.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I&#039;m guessing Killian tended to write longhand and have a secretary type it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not convinced one way or the other, but the appearance of &#8220;kerning&#8221; in the Bush document is partly due to the fact that the ink smudged &#8211; it is definitely an illusion.</p>
<p>RE:<br />
<blockquote>
Its quite possible that you could produce such a document in 1972, but I&#8217;m quite skeptical that someone would have done so in 1972 for a routine memo.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing Killian tended to write longhand and have a secretary type it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 05:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m glad you guys were here to clear everything up. I guess Nightline, the Washington Post and the NY Times are all part of the  vast rightwing conspiracy after all.

And (retired) general Staudt must be really persuasive, to pressure Killian from the golf course like that.

Although I am surprised that Lt Col Killian could call a flight readiness review over the issue of Bush&#039;s  foreign language proficiency pay (IAW, or in accordance with, AFM 35-13).

You gotta know when to hold em...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad you guys were here to clear everything up. I guess Nightline, the Washington Post and the NY Times are all part of the  vast rightwing conspiracy after all.</p>
<p>And (retired) general Staudt must be really persuasive, to pressure Killian from the golf course like that.</p>
<p>Although I am surprised that Lt Col Killian could call a flight readiness review over the issue of Bush&#8217;s  foreign language proficiency pay (IAW, or in accordance with, AFM 35-13).</p>
<p>You gotta know when to hold em&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert McClelland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert McClelland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just look on the records that Bush has released to see if the disputed small &quot;th&quot; is present. Like this one.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc10.gif&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Line 2&lt;/a&gt; clearly has the small &quot;th&quot; in question. This can again be seen here on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/9-Miscellaneous.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;page 3&lt;/a&gt; (pdf) of the same document by increasing the magnification.

Cheers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just look on the records that Bush has released to see if the disputed small &#8220;th&#8221; is present. Like this one.</p>
<p><a href="http://users.cis.net/coldfeet/doc10.gif" rel="nofollow">Line 2</a> clearly has the small &#8220;th&#8221; in question. This can again be seen here on <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/bushdocs/9-Miscellaneous.pdf" rel="nofollow">page 3</a> (pdf) of the same document by increasing the magnification.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the kerning issue, look at the CYA in the 1973 memo.  It very clearly is not kerned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the kerning issue, look at the CYA in the 1973 memo.  It very clearly is not kerned.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Munsil</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2004/09/09/forged-documents-update/comment-page-1/#comment-3969</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Munsil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 04:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s a link to some type from an IBM Executive, and it looks remarkably like the type in the documents:

http://www.microsparc.com/news.htm

The ad on the right was done with an IBM Executive.

In addition, the IBM Executive typewriter typeface was created by Monotype, who also created (you guessed it) Times New Roman.

There were a lot of models of Executive over the years, and they were pretty popular. I certainly remember seeing them - they had a distinctive split space bar. 

See my comment in the other thread for more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a link to some type from an IBM Executive, and it looks remarkably like the type in the documents:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.microsparc.com/news.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.microsparc.com/news.htm</a></p>
<p>The ad on the right was done with an IBM Executive.</p>
<p>In addition, the IBM Executive typewriter typeface was created by Monotype, who also created (you guessed it) Times New Roman.</p>
<p>There were a lot of models of Executive over the years, and they were pretty popular. I certainly remember seeing them &#8211; they had a distinctive split space bar. </p>
<p>See my comment in the other thread for more.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Munsil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Munsil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2004 03:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no kerning in Word. None. Word has never kerned type, nor has WordPerfect or any other word processor. You can can try it for yourself: type &#039;To&#039; in Word and raise the size to, say, 72 point. If Word did any kerning, the &#039;o&#039; would be tucked slightly under the T. Not all fonts contain kerning pairs, but Times New Roman does. I just cracked it open in a font editor, and it has, in fact, 867 kerning pairs, of which &#039;To&#039; is one.

Page layout programs like PageMaker and Quark kern, but not Word. Folks that say they see &#039;kerning&#039; in the original document and that means it&#039;s from Word are smoking bad crack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no kerning in Word. None. Word has never kerned type, nor has WordPerfect or any other word processor. You can can try it for yourself: type &#8216;To&#8217; in Word and raise the size to, say, 72 point. If Word did any kerning, the &#8216;o&#8217; would be tucked slightly under the T. Not all fonts contain kerning pairs, but Times New Roman does. I just cracked it open in a font editor, and it has, in fact, 867 kerning pairs, of which &#8216;To&#8217; is one.</p>
<p>Page layout programs like PageMaker and Quark kern, but not Word. Folks that say they see &#8216;kerning&#8217; in the original document and that means it&#8217;s from Word are smoking bad crack.</p>
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