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		<title>By: john of london</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2005/08/31/visions-of-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-7758</link>
		<dc:creator>john of london</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Sep 2005 11:19:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK so Bush isn&#039;t quite as able a president as, say, Harding or Coolidge (neither of whom started wars) but to be fair he didn&#039;t create the racism that&#039;s at the heart of the New Orleans atrocity. There was no attempt to evacuate those who couldn&#039;t get out on their own. The poor Black people were left to drown or starve. And that was primarily the responsibility of the state of Louisiana, starting with Governor Blanco with her NRA ranting about &quot;locked and loaded&quot;, as tho this disaster could be retrieved if only they could just shoot enough Black people. Looks like the Same Old South to me. And the Louisiana National Guard being mostly in Iraq isn&#039;t the problem, because those in NO are mostly standing around laughing at the Black people trying to save themselves. 
What an effective president (Clinton? LBJ?) would have done would be not just send help to LA but take over, federalising the National Guard and sending US regular forces into NO to get the people out, requisitioning whatever resources were necessary. An effective president would also discover the power to act without waiting for the governor of a &quot;failed state&quot; to call.
I get my news mainly from &quot;The Guardian&quot;, a UK newspaper, and I think it&#039;s a better source than most because it&#039;s chief reporter in the US, Gary Yonge, is Black.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK so Bush isn&#8217;t quite as able a president as, say, Harding or Coolidge (neither of whom started wars) but to be fair he didn&#8217;t create the racism that&#8217;s at the heart of the New Orleans atrocity. There was no attempt to evacuate those who couldn&#8217;t get out on their own. The poor Black people were left to drown or starve. And that was primarily the responsibility of the state of Louisiana, starting with Governor Blanco with her NRA ranting about &#8220;locked and loaded&#8221;, as tho this disaster could be retrieved if only they could just shoot enough Black people. Looks like the Same Old South to me. And the Louisiana National Guard being mostly in Iraq isn&#8217;t the problem, because those in NO are mostly standing around laughing at the Black people trying to save themselves.<br />
What an effective president (Clinton? LBJ?) would have done would be not just send help to LA but take over, federalising the National Guard and sending US regular forces into NO to get the people out, requisitioning whatever resources were necessary. An effective president would also discover the power to act without waiting for the governor of a &#8220;failed state&#8221; to call.<br />
I get my news mainly from &#8220;The Guardian&#8221;, a UK newspaper, and I think it&#8217;s a better source than most because it&#8217;s chief reporter in the US, Gary Yonge, is Black.</p>
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		<title>By: kamachanda</title>
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		<dc:creator>kamachanda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 19:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Neocon,

Did you catch a reporter holding up the New Orleans evacuation plan that apparently sat around in some file and was not put into action.  All those people with no way out of the city, and airiel photo&#039;s of the city&#039;s fleet of school buses sitting mostly submerged in their parking lot?  If someone locally had just thought, or maybe the president could have?  Either would have required a bit of leadership ability.  That makes the President less cabable in a crisis than a citizen of New Orlean who comandeered a bus to get 100 people out of the city.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Neocon,</p>
<p>Did you catch a reporter holding up the New Orleans evacuation plan that apparently sat around in some file and was not put into action.  All those people with no way out of the city, and airiel photo&#8217;s of the city&#8217;s fleet of school buses sitting mostly submerged in their parking lot?  If someone locally had just thought, or maybe the president could have?  Either would have required a bit of leadership ability.  That makes the President less cabable in a crisis than a citizen of New Orlean who comandeered a bus to get 100 people out of the city.</p>
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		<title>By: house monkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>house monkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2005 10:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve seen that picture of W several times now but I keep wondering, what is that white thing sticking out of his mouth? Is he swallowing a rat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen that picture of W several times now but I keep wondering, what is that white thing sticking out of his mouth? Is he swallowing a rat?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross A Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2005/08/31/visions-of-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-7755</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross A Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Er, that&#039;s &lt;i&gt;partying&lt;/i&gt;, not &quot;partung&quot;. Though that&#039;s a cool sounding word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Er, that&#8217;s <i>partying</i>, not &#8220;partung&#8221;. Though that&#8217;s a cool sounding word.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross A Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2005/08/31/visions-of-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-7754</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross A Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 23:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What you seem to be missing is that bush was partung and fundraising two days into this. The situation wasn&#039;t even beginning to be addressed in a substantial way by him until yesterday. And he&#039;s being widely critized for doing what he did after 9/11, which was to weirdly dissappear and then emerge for photo ops. Plus, this disaster has been widely predicted and nothing was done to stop it. The funds earmarked for it were pulled to fight iraq. 

But mainly, why aren&#039;t you addressing Bush&#039;s pathetic performance as ourt leader during this disaster? Can you not think of one way to defend him positively? Can you think of no way to show us an example of his leadership, rather than endless explanations of why it isn&#039;t his fault? Because that&#039;s what we&#039;re talking about here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What you seem to be missing is that bush was partung and fundraising two days into this. The situation wasn&#8217;t even beginning to be addressed in a substantial way by him until yesterday. And he&#8217;s being widely critized for doing what he did after 9/11, which was to weirdly dissappear and then emerge for photo ops. Plus, this disaster has been widely predicted and nothing was done to stop it. The funds earmarked for it were pulled to fight iraq. </p>
<p>But mainly, why aren&#8217;t you addressing Bush&#8217;s pathetic performance as ourt leader during this disaster? Can you not think of one way to defend him positively? Can you think of no way to show us an example of his leadership, rather than endless explanations of why it isn&#8217;t his fault? Because that&#8217;s what we&#8217;re talking about here.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your rhetoric is confusing. I responded based on this specific post:

 &quot;Well, if you&#039;d have paid attention, you&#039;d know by now that there were massive plans in place to prevent this disaster. The funding for these plans was revoked and the money was diverted to the Iraq war. Oh, and then, the La national guard was tapped for duty in Iraq, and a bunch of their amphibious vehicles went with them.&quot;

My response was based on fact - even you can&#039;t deny that. Your post was based on liberal fantasy and contained not one single element of truth. 

Bush is not perfect. I would love a few words with him over the border crisis. 

Sorry, I can&#039;t hold him accountable for the disaster in New Orleans, nor can I hold him accountable for the sub-human acts of child rape, murder and shots fired at those who want to help. While the New Orleans crisis is a terrible tragedy, there is no excuse for the lack of planning and preparation - and that responsibility falls on the local government and city officials. If you live below sea level on the gulf - at least have a plan of what do to when a hurricane passes through. Several of them come that way every single year. It&#039;s not as though they haven&#039;t had at least 30 years to get organized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your rhetoric is confusing. I responded based on this specific post:</p>
<p> &#8220;Well, if you&#8217;d have paid attention, you&#8217;d know by now that there were massive plans in place to prevent this disaster. The funding for these plans was revoked and the money was diverted to the Iraq war. Oh, and then, the La national guard was tapped for duty in Iraq, and a bunch of their amphibious vehicles went with them.&#8221;</p>
<p>My response was based on fact &#8211; even you can&#8217;t deny that. Your post was based on liberal fantasy and contained not one single element of truth. </p>
<p>Bush is not perfect. I would love a few words with him over the border crisis. </p>
<p>Sorry, I can&#8217;t hold him accountable for the disaster in New Orleans, nor can I hold him accountable for the sub-human acts of child rape, murder and shots fired at those who want to help. While the New Orleans crisis is a terrible tragedy, there is no excuse for the lack of planning and preparation &#8211; and that responsibility falls on the local government and city officials. If you live below sea level on the gulf &#8211; at least have a plan of what do to when a hurricane passes through. Several of them come that way every single year. It&#8217;s not as though they haven&#8217;t had at least 30 years to get organized.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross A Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2005/08/31/visions-of-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-7752</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross A Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 22:09:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I notice you said nothing about Bush&#039;s incredible failure after the fact. Is there anything you people will hold him accountable for? Is there anything that happens on his watch for which you won&#039;t excuse him? Don&#039;t get me wrong, if you actually wish to address Bush&#039;s response, I&#039;m open to it. Seriously, I encourage you to state your case. 

Besides, hyperventilatingly relying on ALL CAPS is my job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I notice you said nothing about Bush&#8217;s incredible failure after the fact. Is there anything you people will hold him accountable for? Is there anything that happens on his watch for which you won&#8217;t excuse him? Don&#8217;t get me wrong, if you actually wish to address Bush&#8217;s response, I&#8217;m open to it. Seriously, I encourage you to state your case. </p>
<p>Besides, hyperventilatingly relying on ALL CAPS is my job.</p>
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		<title>By: Neocon</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2005/08/31/visions-of-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-7751</link>
		<dc:creator>Neocon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 21:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Well, if you&#039;d have paid attention, you&#039;d know by now that there were massive plans in place to prevent this disaster. The funding for these plans was revoked and the money was diverted to the Iraq war. Oh, and then, the La national guard was tapped for duty in Iraq, and a bunch of their amphibious vehicles went with them&quot;  

GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!  Hurricanes have been coming in the same direction for the past FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AT LEAST.. long before the Iraq war - The city is built below sea level and those in charge only prepared for a Category 3 Max (The new Superdome barely survived it!) .. No one seems to question why Slumlord Nagin or those prior to him didn&#039;t have two brain cells to rub together and entertain the possibility that Category 5 could turn their city into Atlantis!!!  There were NEVER any MASSIVE PLANS in place to prevent the disaster. You CAN&#039;T EVEN MINIMIZE THE DAMAGE OF ANYTHING OVER A 3 living in a fishbowl right on the GULF!   Bush is responsible for this is he? What CONVOLUTED LOGIC. It&#039;s actually amusing. The only thing more tragic than  Katrina is if we rebuild and wait for another one to wipe them out all over again. Have we learned nothing? What a pitiful state of affairs for the civilized human race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, if you&#8217;d have paid attention, you&#8217;d know by now that there were massive plans in place to prevent this disaster. The funding for these plans was revoked and the money was diverted to the Iraq war. Oh, and then, the La national guard was tapped for duty in Iraq, and a bunch of their amphibious vehicles went with them&#8221;  </p>
<p>GIVE ME A FREAKING BREAK!  Hurricanes have been coming in the same direction for the past FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AT LEAST.. long before the Iraq war &#8211; The city is built below sea level and those in charge only prepared for a Category 3 Max (The new Superdome barely survived it!) .. No one seems to question why Slumlord Nagin or those prior to him didn&#8217;t have two brain cells to rub together and entertain the possibility that Category 5 could turn their city into Atlantis!!!  There were NEVER any MASSIVE PLANS in place to prevent the disaster. You CAN&#8217;T EVEN MINIMIZE THE DAMAGE OF ANYTHING OVER A 3 living in a fishbowl right on the GULF!   Bush is responsible for this is he? What CONVOLUTED LOGIC. It&#8217;s actually amusing. The only thing more tragic than  Katrina is if we rebuild and wait for another one to wipe them out all over again. Have we learned nothing? What a pitiful state of affairs for the civilized human race.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross A Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2005/08/31/visions-of-leadership/comment-page-1/#comment-7750</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross A Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 18:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...having made adequate arrangements to deal with a disaster known to be not that unlikely?&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Well, if you&#039;d have paid attention, you&#039;d know by now that there were massive plans in place to prevent this disaster. The funding for these plans was revoked and the money was diverted to the Iraq war. Oh, and then, the La national guard was tapped for duty in Iraq, and a bunch of their amphibious vehicles went with them.

So sorry, but this is Bush&#039;s fuck up. And yes, fuck yes, that pampered cokehead should have leaped off of his lazy haunches the moment this shit started happening. It&#039;s shameful that once again, a major fucked up and major disaster has went unattened for days, while he figures out how to cope.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;having made adequate arrangements to deal with a disaster known to be not that unlikely?</p></blockquote>
<p>Well, if you&#8217;d have paid attention, you&#8217;d know by now that there were massive plans in place to prevent this disaster. The funding for these plans was revoked and the money was diverted to the Iraq war. Oh, and then, the La national guard was tapped for duty in Iraq, and a bunch of their amphibious vehicles went with them.</p>
<p>So sorry, but this is Bush&#8217;s fuck up. And yes, fuck yes, that pampered cokehead should have leaped off of his lazy haunches the moment this shit started happening. It&#8217;s shameful that once again, a major fucked up and major disaster has went unattened for days, while he figures out how to cope.</p>
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		<title>By: nightshift66</title>
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		<dc:creator>nightshift66</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2005 15:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add that Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi is as energetic as the governors in the photo essay, and I say that as one who dislikes the man intensely. Competence (and the lack thereof) crosses party lines, but W is such a bright, shining example of the combined effect of buffoonery, arrogance, and incompetence that it boggles the mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi is as energetic as the governors in the photo essay, and I say that as one who dislikes the man intensely. Competence (and the lack thereof) crosses party lines, but W is such a bright, shining example of the combined effect of buffoonery, arrogance, and incompetence that it boggles the mind.</p>
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