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		<title>By: amber</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/23/snake-oil-makes-a-comeback/comment-page-1/#comment-9249</link>
		<dc:creator>amber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok lets clear this up....the companys have to put &quot;this is not meant to diagnose,treat or prevent disease&quot; on things because its a law made by the fda that ONLY A DRUG can cure treat or prevent disease and unless the fda can patent it and control it they wont approve it not to mention they make company&#039;s pay $800,000 for the research required so its almost impossible for a little nobody with a natural cure to get it fda approved. If company&#039;s do not place that on their products the fda can shut them down and put them in jail for illegally selling drugs. If I go on tv and say oranges cure cancer they can arrest me.only a drug can cure a disease so by claiming an orange cures cancer I have turned that orange into a drug by their law! its absolutely nuts. personally I say &quot;if man made it dont eat it and if you cant eat it dont put it on your body&quot;.oh and the FDA is trying right now to make all natural remedies,vitamins etc illegal. if they have  any luck we will lose the right to take things that grow on earth.might wanna fight for the right know all your options when it cxomes to your health. peace out Quotes from &quot;natural cures &quot;they&quot; dont want you to know about......read it or any of the hundred other books talking about how we are being lied to!!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok lets clear this up&#8230;.the companys have to put &#8220;this is not meant to diagnose,treat or prevent disease&#8221; on things because its a law made by the fda that ONLY A DRUG can cure treat or prevent disease and unless the fda can patent it and control it they wont approve it not to mention they make company&#8217;s pay $800,000 for the research required so its almost impossible for a little nobody with a natural cure to get it fda approved. If company&#8217;s do not place that on their products the fda can shut them down and put them in jail for illegally selling drugs. If I go on tv and say oranges cure cancer they can arrest me.only a drug can cure a disease so by claiming an orange cures cancer I have turned that orange into a drug by their law! its absolutely nuts. personally I say &#8220;if man made it dont eat it and if you cant eat it dont put it on your body&#8221;.oh and the FDA is trying right now to make all natural remedies,vitamins etc illegal. if they have  any luck we will lose the right to take things that grow on earth.might wanna fight for the right know all your options when it cxomes to your health. peace out Quotes from &#8220;natural cures &#8220;they&#8221; dont want you to know about&#8230;&#8230;read it or any of the hundred other books talking about how we are being lied to!!</p>
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		<title>By: Pere Ubu</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/23/snake-oil-makes-a-comeback/comment-page-1/#comment-9248</link>
		<dc:creator>Pere Ubu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 21:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;On a side note, re: the movie reference, does anyone else think Susan Sarandon&#039;s still really hot?&lt;/i&gt;

yes. yes, I do.

(OTOH, the guy in those &quot;Airborne&quot; ads makes me physically ill. There&#039;s someone who needs to be &quot;specially rendered&quot; to Gitmo, where I can&#039;t see his bloated pseudo-hipster face.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>On a side note, re: the movie reference, does anyone else think Susan Sarandon&#8217;s still really hot?</i></p>
<p>yes. yes, I do.</p>
<p>(OTOH, the guy in those &#8220;Airborne&#8221; ads makes me physically ill. There&#8217;s someone who needs to be &#8220;specially rendered&#8221; to Gitmo, where I can&#8217;t see his bloated pseudo-hipster face.)</p>
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		<title>By: SteveAudio</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/23/snake-oil-makes-a-comeback/comment-page-1/#comment-9247</link>
		<dc:creator>SteveAudio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m pretty sure this stuff ain&#039;t Lorenzo&#039;s Oil.

On a side note, re: the movie reference, does anyone else think Susan Sarandon&#039;s still really hot?

Anyway...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure this stuff ain&#8217;t Lorenzo&#8217;s Oil.</p>
<p>On a side note, re: the movie reference, does anyone else think Susan Sarandon&#8217;s still really hot?</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dAnimal</title>
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		<dc:creator>dAnimal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I took Echinacea once, and it knocked out my inhibitions, made me feel real good, made shitty music sounds good... oh wait, that was ecstacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I took Echinacea once, and it knocked out my inhibitions, made me feel real good, made shitty music sounds good&#8230; oh wait, that was ecstacy.</p>
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		<title>By: mona</title>
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		<dc:creator>mona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 01:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, so, I know a little about this...

The thing is, you can&#039;t patent a naturally occuring substance.  Therefore, there&#039;s only so much money that any one producer can make off of it.  So, there&#039;s no real financial incentive to pour gobs of money into researching it&#039;s effectiveness.  Does that automatically mean it isn&#039;t effective?  No.  But, does that mean it is?  No.  Are there some useless &quot;supplements&quot; on the market?  Obviously. 

BUT, if FDA approval was required for the over the counter sale of &quot;supplements&quot;, many of these products wouldn&#039;t be on the market.  Not because they couldn&#039;t get approved, but because nobody&#039;s gonna want to shell out the money for the studies, if once it&#039;s approved, anybody else can start producing and selling it.

So, in the absence of large scale studies to prove it&#039;s effectiveness, how do we know if the stuff works?  Mostly based on anecdotal accounts.  Your friend/sister/coworker uses it and swers that it lessens the severity/duration of their cold.  So, you try it, and sure enough, your cold is gone in half the usual time.  Well, then, heck, I guess it works.  It&#039;s not going to hurt you, so all you&#039;ve really got to lose is a couple of bucks if it doesn&#039;t work.

And, as far as people putting more trust into something that&#039;s not been scientifically tested, I just don&#039;t see it.  Sure there are some new age-ey types out there who insist on only using &quot;natural&quot; cures, but they&#039;re the exception, not the rule.  If someone buys some supplement like Airborne, and it doesn&#039;t do anything, most people aren&#039;t gonna waste their money buying it again and again.  

On the other hand, I can&#039;t even begin to tell you how many people are taking pharmaceuticals that have been &quot;proven effective&quot;, but they come in the pharmacy whining about how they don&#039;t even think it&#039;s really doing anything for them, then they shell out for month after month, cause their doctor or their TV tells them it works.  There&#039;s definitely an element of buyer beware involved.  If you don&#039;t want to throw you&#039;re money away on stuff that doesn&#039;t work, you might have to do a little research, and then use your head.  If you&#039;ve been on Paxil for 6 months (for example), but you&#039;re still depressed, maybe you should think about that.

&quot;Not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any didsease&quot; is not something that you can just slap on your package to avoid FDA oversight.  It&#039;s actually something that the FDA &lt;i&gt;makes&lt;/i&gt; you put on there so that consumers know that this isn&#039;t a drug.  They make them put it on there to protect you, the consumer.  

Actually, big pharma is notorious for planting these kind of stories, in an attempt to turn consumers off of products where they don&#039;t stand to make any money.  The line &quot;Consumer groups paint the pharma giants as shameless profiteers. &#039;We&#039;re losing the battle for consumer trust,&#039; a top Bayer executive confessed&quot; tells me all I need to know about which way this article is slanted.

Personally, I think the whole &quot;created by a school teacher&quot; thing is kind of cheesy, and not really a selling point.  But I do buy and use Airborne, because it does seem to help keep me from getting sick.  If it didn&#039;t, I wouldn&#039;t buy it, no matter who created it.  

Plus, a Natural substance is not a Drug, and vice versa.  Vioxx is a drug.  It can olny be sold as a drug.  And the FDA does step in when a &quot;supplement&quot; is found to contain something potentially dangerous.  Remember Metabolife?

Anways, I would recommend consumers always try to err on the side of caution.  Don&#039;t put ANYTHING into your body that you don&#039;t need to, or if you can&#039;t be reasonably sure of what it&#039;s effects and risks are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so, I know a little about this&#8230;</p>
<p>The thing is, you can&#8217;t patent a naturally occuring substance.  Therefore, there&#8217;s only so much money that any one producer can make off of it.  So, there&#8217;s no real financial incentive to pour gobs of money into researching it&#8217;s effectiveness.  Does that automatically mean it isn&#8217;t effective?  No.  But, does that mean it is?  No.  Are there some useless &#8220;supplements&#8221; on the market?  Obviously. </p>
<p>BUT, if FDA approval was required for the over the counter sale of &#8220;supplements&#8221;, many of these products wouldn&#8217;t be on the market.  Not because they couldn&#8217;t get approved, but because nobody&#8217;s gonna want to shell out the money for the studies, if once it&#8217;s approved, anybody else can start producing and selling it.</p>
<p>So, in the absence of large scale studies to prove it&#8217;s effectiveness, how do we know if the stuff works?  Mostly based on anecdotal accounts.  Your friend/sister/coworker uses it and swers that it lessens the severity/duration of their cold.  So, you try it, and sure enough, your cold is gone in half the usual time.  Well, then, heck, I guess it works.  It&#8217;s not going to hurt you, so all you&#8217;ve really got to lose is a couple of bucks if it doesn&#8217;t work.</p>
<p>And, as far as people putting more trust into something that&#8217;s not been scientifically tested, I just don&#8217;t see it.  Sure there are some new age-ey types out there who insist on only using &#8220;natural&#8221; cures, but they&#8217;re the exception, not the rule.  If someone buys some supplement like Airborne, and it doesn&#8217;t do anything, most people aren&#8217;t gonna waste their money buying it again and again.  </p>
<p>On the other hand, I can&#8217;t even begin to tell you how many people are taking pharmaceuticals that have been &#8220;proven effective&#8221;, but they come in the pharmacy whining about how they don&#8217;t even think it&#8217;s really doing anything for them, then they shell out for month after month, cause their doctor or their TV tells them it works.  There&#8217;s definitely an element of buyer beware involved.  If you don&#8217;t want to throw you&#8217;re money away on stuff that doesn&#8217;t work, you might have to do a little research, and then use your head.  If you&#8217;ve been on Paxil for 6 months (for example), but you&#8217;re still depressed, maybe you should think about that.</p>
<p>&#8220;Not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any didsease&#8221; is not something that you can just slap on your package to avoid FDA oversight.  It&#8217;s actually something that the FDA <i>makes</i> you put on there so that consumers know that this isn&#8217;t a drug.  They make them put it on there to protect you, the consumer.  </p>
<p>Actually, big pharma is notorious for planting these kind of stories, in an attempt to turn consumers off of products where they don&#8217;t stand to make any money.  The line &#8220;Consumer groups paint the pharma giants as shameless profiteers. &#8216;We&#8217;re losing the battle for consumer trust,&#8217; a top Bayer executive confessed&#8221; tells me all I need to know about which way this article is slanted.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the whole &#8220;created by a school teacher&#8221; thing is kind of cheesy, and not really a selling point.  But I do buy and use Airborne, because it does seem to help keep me from getting sick.  If it didn&#8217;t, I wouldn&#8217;t buy it, no matter who created it.  </p>
<p>Plus, a Natural substance is not a Drug, and vice versa.  Vioxx is a drug.  It can olny be sold as a drug.  And the FDA does step in when a &#8220;supplement&#8221; is found to contain something potentially dangerous.  Remember Metabolife?</p>
<p>Anways, I would recommend consumers always try to err on the side of caution.  Don&#8217;t put ANYTHING into your body that you don&#8217;t need to, or if you can&#8217;t be reasonably sure of what it&#8217;s effects and risks are.</p>
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		<title>By: jimmarquis</title>
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		<dc:creator>jimmarquis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 00:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It may all just be in my head but I can&#039;t tell you how many times I&#039;ve felt like a cold was coming on and I knocked it out by taking Echinacea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may all just be in my head but I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I&#8217;ve felt like a cold was coming on and I knocked it out by taking Echinacea&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dAVE</title>
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		<dc:creator>dAVE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jan 2006 15:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the logic:
1)Big Pharma is motivated by greed.
2)Pharmaceuticals are tested scientifically
3)Therefore, non-scientifically tested remedies are made by companies NOT motivated by greed.  The profits they make are purely incidental.

Interestingly, I saw a program a while ago (Frontline, maybe?) about all these alternative, herbal, dietary supplement products, and one of the main supporters of the legislation allowing these things to be sold without proof of efficacy was none other than that old hippie, Utah Republican Senator Orrin Hatch.

BTW, whose to say that Big Pharma doesn&#039;t already have a piece of the &quot;supplement&quot; pie?  It&#039;d be pretty easy to either buy shares in or set up a shell company to sell herbal remedies etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the logic:<br />
1)Big Pharma is motivated by greed.<br />
2)Pharmaceuticals are tested scientifically<br />
3)Therefore, non-scientifically tested remedies are made by companies NOT motivated by greed.  The profits they make are purely incidental.</p>
<p>Interestingly, I saw a program a while ago (Frontline, maybe?) about all these alternative, herbal, dietary supplement products, and one of the main supporters of the legislation allowing these things to be sold without proof of efficacy was none other than that old hippie, Utah Republican Senator Orrin Hatch.</p>
<p>BTW, whose to say that Big Pharma doesn&#8217;t already have a piece of the &#8220;supplement&#8221; pie?  It&#8217;d be pretty easy to either buy shares in or set up a shell company to sell herbal remedies etc.</p>
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