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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/27/polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-9278</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;...if you&#039;re truly through with them, put your actions where your words are. otherwise, you&#039;re no different than Reid when he calls the GOP the Mafia and then turns around and apologizes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;There are varying levels of support at work here. Democratic press releases are going straight into my email trash. I won&#039;t do a thing to help fundraise or GOTV. I won&#039;t do any more &quot;Sen. Bullshit gave a great speech today...&quot; posts. I won&#039;t accept any advertising for organizations or candidates affiliated with the Democratic party. And I&#039;ll support the primary campaigns against all Democratic incumbents. The party needs a serious shakeup and I plan to hit back at them in any way I can. If they&#039;re too stupid to do the right thing, I&#039;ll do everything I can to shame them into listening to the conscience instead of their strategists.

But when it comes to voting, there&#039;s one of two choices. Voting for or against the Republican party. It&#039;ll be a cold day in hell before any of them get my vote. Even the GOP moderates are just the pleasant face put in front of a radical agenda, and I&#039;ll do everything I can to stop that.  Even if that means having to make an uncomfortable choice between retarded cowards and immoral scumbags. The phrase &quot;lesser of two evils&quot; has never seemed more apt than it does right now.

The only Democrat I really respect right now is Howard Dean because he&#039;s been the most vocal defender of the party against the media&#039;s Abramoff smears and he&#039;s pissing off the beltway by spending time and money building up the local party organizations. There might be a few others, but I&#039;m having a hard time thinking of them right now...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8230;if you&#8217;re truly through with them, put your actions where your words are. otherwise, you&#8217;re no different than Reid when he calls the GOP the Mafia and then turns around and apologizes.</p></blockquote>
<p>There are varying levels of support at work here. Democratic press releases are going straight into my email trash. I won&#8217;t do a thing to help fundraise or GOTV. I won&#8217;t do any more &#8220;Sen. Bullshit gave a great speech today&#8230;&#8221; posts. I won&#8217;t accept any advertising for organizations or candidates affiliated with the Democratic party. And I&#8217;ll support the primary campaigns against all Democratic incumbents. The party needs a serious shakeup and I plan to hit back at them in any way I can. If they&#8217;re too stupid to do the right thing, I&#8217;ll do everything I can to shame them into listening to the conscience instead of their strategists.</p>
<p>But when it comes to voting, there&#8217;s one of two choices. Voting for or against the Republican party. It&#8217;ll be a cold day in hell before any of them get my vote. Even the GOP moderates are just the pleasant face put in front of a radical agenda, and I&#8217;ll do everything I can to stop that.  Even if that means having to make an uncomfortable choice between retarded cowards and immoral scumbags. The phrase &#8220;lesser of two evils&#8221; has never seemed more apt than it does right now.</p>
<p>The only Democrat I really respect right now is Howard Dean because he&#8217;s been the most vocal defender of the party against the media&#8217;s Abramoff smears and he&#8217;s pissing off the beltway by spending time and money building up the local party organizations. There might be a few others, but I&#8217;m having a hard time thinking of them right now&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: tomN!</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/27/polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-9277</link>
		<dc:creator>tomN!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 03:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t understimate the legitimacy of your blog, or the influence you can have through it.  the problem is that you&#039;ve undermined any credibility you have with your statement that &quot;you guys are naturally going to get my vote&quot;. it makes all your arguments, and chastising of their political games, just as hollow as the empty promises they keep throwing at us.  you complain that they are merely throwing us bones to keep us happy, but aren&#039;t you doing the same thing? 

besides all that, isn&#039;t the way to reform the problem with this two-party system to stop giving in to it?  you can&#039;t fight a fire by throwing kindling on it.  if everyone who is unsatisfied with the dems would turn around and pick another party, wouldn&#039;t it make a huge difference, and possibly break the hold that the two parties have by elevating a third party into significant power?  

don&#039;t get me wrong- i&#039;m not throwing out the dems completely- if they come up with candidates that are worth a damn, then of course that candidate will get my vote.  but i&#039;m sick of voting for these two-faced pussies who continue to kiss right-wing ass while treating their liberal base like they have the plague. 

you need to make a stand- the other day you said you&#039;re through with the dems, then a couple days later you tell them that they get your vote anyway... if you&#039;re truly through with them, put your actions where your words are.  otherwise, you&#039;re no different than Reid when he calls the GOP the Mafia and then turns around and apologizes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t understimate the legitimacy of your blog, or the influence you can have through it.  the problem is that you&#8217;ve undermined any credibility you have with your statement that &#8220;you guys are naturally going to get my vote&#8221;. it makes all your arguments, and chastising of their political games, just as hollow as the empty promises they keep throwing at us.  you complain that they are merely throwing us bones to keep us happy, but aren&#8217;t you doing the same thing? </p>
<p>besides all that, isn&#8217;t the way to reform the problem with this two-party system to stop giving in to it?  you can&#8217;t fight a fire by throwing kindling on it.  if everyone who is unsatisfied with the dems would turn around and pick another party, wouldn&#8217;t it make a huge difference, and possibly break the hold that the two parties have by elevating a third party into significant power?  </p>
<p>don&#8217;t get me wrong- i&#8217;m not throwing out the dems completely- if they come up with candidates that are worth a damn, then of course that candidate will get my vote.  but i&#8217;m sick of voting for these two-faced pussies who continue to kiss right-wing ass while treating their liberal base like they have the plague. </p>
<p>you need to make a stand- the other day you said you&#8217;re through with the dems, then a couple days later you tell them that they get your vote anyway&#8230; if you&#8217;re truly through with them, put your actions where your words are.  otherwise, you&#8217;re no different than Reid when he calls the GOP the Mafia and then turns around and apologizes.</p>
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		<title>By: mona</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/27/polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-9276</link>
		<dc:creator>mona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2006 00:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um... &quot;helping the cowardly dems&quot; IS voting for a republican!  At this point, I don&#039;t see how a dem vote is any less of a thrown-away vote than a third party vote...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um&#8230; &#8220;helping the cowardly dems&#8221; IS voting for a republican!  At this point, I don&#8217;t see how a dem vote is any less of a thrown-away vote than a third party vote&#8230;</p>
<p>(and this is actually mona, this time)</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/27/polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-9275</link>
		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 06:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ditto what Ross said. I know it seems like a contradiction that I would bash Dems only to promise them my votes, but there&#039;s a method to the madness. A third-party vote or staying home would essentially be a vote for the GOP, and the only thing I find more loathsome than helping the cowardly Dems is voting for a Republican. 

While you&#039;re right that they probably don&#039;t give a shit about whether or not they have my &quot;respect&quot;, I think having a moderately-successful blog gives me a little bit of leverage. Sure, I don&#039;t have a seat at the table (nor would I necessarily want one), but I do have the eyes and ears of a few thousand of their most devoted supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ditto what Ross said. I know it seems like a contradiction that I would bash Dems only to promise them my votes, but there&#8217;s a method to the madness. A third-party vote or staying home would essentially be a vote for the GOP, and the only thing I find more loathsome than helping the cowardly Dems is voting for a Republican. </p>
<p>While you&#8217;re right that they probably don&#8217;t give a shit about whether or not they have my &#8220;respect&#8221;, I think having a moderately-successful blog gives me a little bit of leverage. Sure, I don&#8217;t have a seat at the table (nor would I necessarily want one), but I do have the eyes and ears of a few thousand of their most devoted supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: tomN!</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/27/polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-9274</link>
		<dc:creator>tomN!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops... that above post from &quot;mona&quot; was actually me.  my computer remembered her from the last time she was on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230; that above post from &#8220;mona&#8221; was actually me.  my computer remembered her from the last time she was on here.</p>
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		<title>By: tomN!</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/27/polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-9273</link>
		<dc:creator>tomN!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2006 18:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops... that above post from &quot;mona&quot; was actually me.  my computer remembered her from the last time she was on here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230; that above post from &#8220;mona&#8221; was actually me.  my computer remembered her from the last time she was on here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross A Lincoln</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/27/polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-9272</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross A Lincoln</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t know what to do - I&#039;m sick and GFD tired of being so constantly disappointed by the cocktail circuit democrats in congress, so incapable of party unity, so afraid of a fight, and pathologically incapable of mustering anything but a token effort to defend a legacy that the majority of Americans support? Why do they deserve our vote at all if they take us for granted and treat us like we&#039;re radioactive during elections? 

For lack of a better phrase, the Democrats keep shitting in our mouths and calling it chocolate cake. They can&#039;t keep even the most facile united front together, and worse, people who betray us consistently (Like Joementum, who should have been kicked out of the party for Kissing Dubya,) manage never to be punished. Worse still, anyone with the balls to state the truth is left to suffer without any support. Hell, as has been said before, they don&#039;t even have the stones to defend themselves against obviously disproveable smear attacks. How can we trust them to fight for us when they won&#039;t even fight for themselves?

While I&#039;m terrified of the consequences of dropping out of the election process entirely, and I&#039;m fully aware that third parties will accomplish nothing (considering that despite their vivid fantasies, we don&#039;t have proportional democracy), I feel that my vote today is just as wasted as it would be if I supported a third party. And at least then, I&#039;d be voting for people who, albeit without any power base, at least attempt to do the things they claim they&#039;ll do. 

Over at ornicus, Dave Neiwert said &quot;...if the Democratic Party wants any more of my money, they can just go fuck themselves.&quot; I&#039;m inclined to agree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t know what to do &#8211; I&#8217;m sick and GFD tired of being so constantly disappointed by the cocktail circuit democrats in congress, so incapable of party unity, so afraid of a fight, and pathologically incapable of mustering anything but a token effort to defend a legacy that the majority of Americans support? Why do they deserve our vote at all if they take us for granted and treat us like we&#8217;re radioactive during elections? </p>
<p>For lack of a better phrase, the Democrats keep shitting in our mouths and calling it chocolate cake. They can&#8217;t keep even the most facile united front together, and worse, people who betray us consistently (Like Joementum, who should have been kicked out of the party for Kissing Dubya,) manage never to be punished. Worse still, anyone with the balls to state the truth is left to suffer without any support. Hell, as has been said before, they don&#8217;t even have the stones to defend themselves against obviously disproveable smear attacks. How can we trust them to fight for us when they won&#8217;t even fight for themselves?</p>
<p>While I&#8217;m terrified of the consequences of dropping out of the election process entirely, and I&#8217;m fully aware that third parties will accomplish nothing (considering that despite their vivid fantasies, we don&#8217;t have proportional democracy), I feel that my vote today is just as wasted as it would be if I supported a third party. And at least then, I&#8217;d be voting for people who, albeit without any power base, at least attempt to do the things they claim they&#8217;ll do. </p>
<p>Over at ornicus, Dave Neiwert said &#8220;&#8230;if the Democratic Party wants any more of my money, they can just go fuck themselves.&#8221; I&#8217;m inclined to agree.</p>
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		<title>By: mona</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/27/polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-9271</link>
		<dc:creator>mona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Stuck with a two-party system, you guys are naturally going to get my vote, but you&#039;ve got a long way to go before you earn back my respect.&quot;

that&#039;s bullshit!  seriously? you think that&#039;s gonna make a difference?  that&#039;s like a battered wife who still stands by her man while he keeps kicking you in the head. 

they don&#039;t care about your respect- they care about votes. you should hold these bastards accountable- and the only way to do that is by NOT voting for them when they don&#039;t represent you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Stuck with a two-party system, you guys are naturally going to get my vote, but you&#8217;ve got a long way to go before you earn back my respect.&#8221;</p>
<p>that&#8217;s bullshit!  seriously? you think that&#8217;s gonna make a difference?  that&#8217;s like a battered wife who still stands by her man while he keeps kicking you in the head. </p>
<p>they don&#8217;t care about your respect- they care about votes. you should hold these bastards accountable- and the only way to do that is by NOT voting for them when they don&#8217;t represent you.</p>
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		<title>By: Cakesniffer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/01/27/polishing-a-turd/comment-page-1/#comment-9270</link>
		<dc:creator>Cakesniffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Stuck with a two-party system, you guys are naturally going to get my vote ...&lt;/i&gt;

Fuck that.  I&#039;m not playing that game anymore.  Why should they get your vote?  What, exactly, are you looking to accompllish with that vote?

I&#039;m not voting for assholes anymore just because they don&#039;t have an R next to their name on the ballot.  If someone like Dean will run and continue to fuck up Republican shit when it matters, he&#039;ll get my vote.  But I&#039;m not voting for any of these ClintonGephardt warm bodies anymore.  I&#039;ll piss away my vote on a third party before I give it to these clowns who do nothing while a would-be fascist president appoints a fascist to the Supreme Court.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Stuck with a two-party system, you guys are naturally going to get my vote &#8230;</i></p>
<p>Fuck that.  I&#8217;m not playing that game anymore.  Why should they get your vote?  What, exactly, are you looking to accompllish with that vote?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not voting for assholes anymore just because they don&#8217;t have an R next to their name on the ballot.  If someone like Dean will run and continue to fuck up Republican shit when it matters, he&#8217;ll get my vote.  But I&#8217;m not voting for any of these ClintonGephardt warm bodies anymore.  I&#8217;ll piss away my vote on a third party before I give it to these clowns who do nothing while a would-be fascist president appoints a fascist to the Supreme Court.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 18:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Stuck with a two-party system, you guys are naturally going to get my vote&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Exactly why they feel that they can continue to screw you over with impunity.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;but you&#039;ve got a long way to go before you earn back my respect.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Jeez, I&#039;ll bet they&#039;re really crying about this.


If you keep voting for abusive schmucks, then don&#039;t be surprised that we have a government of abusive schmucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;Stuck with a two-party system, you guys are naturally going to get my vote&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Exactly why they feel that they can continue to screw you over with impunity.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;but you&#8217;ve got a long way to go before you earn back my respect.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Jeez, I&#8217;ll bet they&#8217;re really crying about this.</p>
<p>If you keep voting for abusive schmucks, then don&#8217;t be surprised that we have a government of abusive schmucks.</p>
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