Comments on: Thinking Things Through http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:58:51 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Gary Denton http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9701 Gary Denton Fri, 10 Mar 2006 05:58:08 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9701 As they get set to roll out their multi-state programs to outlaw abortion they are just more exposed as religious kooks. In the past few days I have had several conservatives tell me that contraception is the same as murder too and that is the next step. As they get set to roll out their multi-state programs to outlaw abortion they are just more exposed as religious kooks. In the past few days I have had several conservatives tell me that contraception is the same as murder too and that is the next step.

]]> By: timewarp http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9700 timewarp Thu, 09 Mar 2006 16:24:54 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9700 Can Crooks and Liars host it? Somehow? Can Crooks and Liars host it? Somehow?

]]> By: Mathwiz http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9699 Mathwiz Thu, 09 Mar 2006 15:45:36 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9699 The "pro-life" position is certainly odd. As Atrios reminds us, if a woman, say, takes drugs during pregnancy, they want to charge her with "child abuse" - even if the drug's effect on the fetus is mostly a figment of their imaginations (as turned out to be the case with crack/cocaine). <p>But if the woman (in their view) <i>murders</i> her fetus, they want to throw the doctor in jail, but let her off scot-free? What if she self-induces, or travels to another state/nation where abortion is legal, gets one there, and comes back, so no one except the woman <i>could</i> face legal punishment? <p>If the fetus is a person, then <i>not</i> prosecuting the woman is discrimination, as is setting a lower punishment than for murder. But if the fetus is not a person, then what's the legal basis for overturning <i>Roe?</i> Even if the Supreme Court reverses <i>Griswold,</i> there's still the matter of consent. How can a person be legally made subservient to a non-person? <p>But come to think of it, the courts make persons subservient to non-persons all the time, when the non-persons are corporations. So I guess they wouldn't have any problem doing the same in the abortion context. We're just expecting too much of the other side if we expect their views to be logically consistent.</p></p></p> The “pro-life” position is certainly odd. As Atrios reminds us, if a woman, say, takes drugs during pregnancy, they want to charge her with “child abuse” – even if the drug’s effect on the fetus is mostly a figment of their imaginations (as turned out to be the case with crack/cocaine).

But if the woman (in their view) murders her fetus, they want to throw the doctor in jail, but let her off scot-free? What if she self-induces, or travels to another state/nation where abortion is legal, gets one there, and comes back, so no one except the woman could face legal punishment?

If the fetus is a person, then not prosecuting the woman is discrimination, as is setting a lower punishment than for murder. But if the fetus is not a person, then what’s the legal basis for overturning Roe? Even if the Supreme Court reverses Griswold, there’s still the matter of consent. How can a person be legally made subservient to a non-person?

But come to think of it, the courts make persons subservient to non-persons all the time, when the non-persons are corporations. So I guess they wouldn’t have any problem doing the same in the abortion context.

We’re just expecting too much of the other side if we expect their views to be logically consistent.

]]> By: Dan Hartung http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9698 Dan Hartung Thu, 09 Mar 2006 07:04:46 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9698 Right now their site links to a <a href="http://www.coralcdn.org/" rel="nofollow">Coral cache</a> of the movie, which means that it's being served by a non-profit network based at NYU, not their web host. <a href="http://www.atcenternetwork.com.nyud.net:8090/wp-content/LibertyvilleAbortionDSL.rm" rel="nofollow">DSL</a> I set this up when I posted the video on MetaFilter, and I'm very glad somebody let them know about this option. Right now their site links to a Coral cache of the movie, which means that it’s being served by a non-profit network based at NYU, not their web host.

DSL

I set this up when I posted the video on MetaFilter, and I’m very glad somebody let them know about this option.

]]> By: MJB http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9697 MJB Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:35:53 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9697 Jeesh, those idiots. Youtube.com would be perfect. I read leftie blogs ALL the time and have never heard of them. I'm at Youtube all the time, though. Instead of a few people getting to see it and then everyone else melting their servers, everyone and their sister would have had a chance to see it by now. Idiots!!! Jeesh, those idiots. Youtube.com would be perfect. I read leftie blogs ALL the time and have never heard of them. I’m at Youtube all the time, though. Instead of a few people getting to see it and then everyone else melting their servers, everyone and their sister would have had a chance to see it by now.

Idiots!!!

]]> By: Michael http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9696 Michael Wed, 08 Mar 2006 23:28:24 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9696 It looks like they've pulled it from their site too - likely cause they couldn't handle the bandwidth. <blockquote>"Due to massive traffic, these videos are down temporarily while we switch servers."</blockquote> Wow, what a missed opportunity to get their message out. It looks like they’ve pulled it from their site too – likely cause they couldn’t handle the bandwidth.

“Due to massive traffic, these videos are down temporarily while we switch servers.”

Wow, what a missed opportunity to get their message out.

]]> By: greg http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9695 greg Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:41:49 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9695 After I got the demand to remove the video, I tried to talk him out of it by explaining that there were hundreds of people who really want to see the video and that the AtCenterNetwork weren't up to the task. If the goal is to get the video viewed by as many people as possible, YouTube is the best option because it's free and doesn't require an external media player. And it's not like I was trying to take credit or something. Oh well, if they want to put barriers between people and their work, that's their right. After I got the demand to remove the video, I tried to talk him out of it by explaining that there were hundreds of people who really want to see the video and that the AtCenterNetwork weren’t up to the task. If the goal is to get the video viewed by as many people as possible, YouTube is the best option because it’s free and doesn’t require an external media player. And it’s not like I was trying to take credit or something.

Oh well, if they want to put barriers between people and their work, that’s their right.

]]> By: lou http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9694 lou Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:21:01 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9694 And not only do you have to pay four bucks but you have to have *gak* real player to watch it. Glad I caught it on youtube earlier. Quite an eyeopener. And not only do you have to pay four bucks but you have to have *gak* real player to watch it.

Glad I caught it on youtube earlier.

Quite an eyeopener.

]]> By: Mrs. Robinson http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9693 Mrs. Robinson Wed, 08 Mar 2006 18:07:59 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9693 AtCenter reveals its true colors. They wanted Greg to take the video down so they could charge people $4 to view it at their site. Go take a look. You can't see this video now unless you pay the troll (er, toll). Is this the new model for blog finance? This SUCKS. AtCenter reveals its true colors.

They wanted Greg to take the video down so they could charge people $4 to view it at their site.

Go take a look. You can’t see this video now unless you pay the troll (er, toll).

Is this the new model for blog finance? This SUCKS.

]]> By: Becky http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/03/07/thinking-things-through/comment-page-1/#comment-9692 Becky Wed, 08 Mar 2006 14:34:34 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/wp/?p=2292#comment-9692 Following the logic, when children live in poverty that is child abuse. Therefore,we should be prosecuting congress for policies which keep people poor. Tax cuts for the rich should be punishable by death. Following the logic, when children live in poverty that is child abuse. Therefore,we should be prosecuting congress for policies which keep people poor. Tax cuts for the rich should be punishable by death.

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