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		<title>By: janinsanfran</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10318</link>
		<author>janinsanfran</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 May 2006 06:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heck, these immigrants &lt;a href='http://happening-here.blogspot.com/2006/05/immigration-ground-zero-rights-at-work.html' rel="nofollow"&gt;are our working class.&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heck, these immigrants <a href='http://happening-here.blogspot.com/2006/05/immigration-ground-zero-rights-at-work.html' rel="nofollow">are our working class.</a></p>
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		<title>By: The Critic</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10317</link>
		<author>The Critic</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 14:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shit, I'd work for $34 an hour doing landscaping. I do it all the time at home for nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shit, I&#8217;d work for $34 an hour doing landscaping. I do it all the time at home for nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: ahem</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10316</link>
		<author>ahem</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 May 2006 07:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10316</guid>
		<description>Thanks, Greg. You know how 'comprehensive immigration reform' actually begins? By massively investing in the bureaucratic side (USCIS) of legal immigration. Clear the fucking backlog for people already in the queue, then reform the laws however you see fit. If there's a transparent and speedy immigration process, backed up by a well-funded bureaucracy, then there's much less incentive to go to the &lt;i&gt;coyotes&lt;/i&gt;. Until that happens, no amount of dick-swinging and fence building will help.

Lou Dobbs has it ass-backwards. You can't 'secure the borders' then look at the law and its administration, because once you play border theatre, the election has passed and no-one gives a shit any more.

Instead, you get the paradoxically chauvinistic use of the purported number of 'illegal' immigrants (and that's a very loose term to cover a lot of situations) to suggest that America is oh-so-great because millions of people are desparate to enter. If no-one &lt;i&gt;wanted&lt;/i&gt; to come to America, I bet Dobbs would be complaining for different reasons.

The amount of ignorance on display here is amazing, and it's because the only people who really understand immigration in the US are either immigration lawyers or immigrants themselves. And the latter group doesn't get to vote. On the other hand, talking tough about Mexicans brings out the Deliverance wing in droves.

All that talk about 'tamper-proof IDs with digital fingerprints'? Every pundit was oohing about that. Every immigrant was thinking 'Huh? Sounds just like my green card or EAD.' Every illegal immigrant was thinking 'fuck that, it's easier to claim I'm a US citizen.'</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Greg. You know how &#8216;comprehensive immigration reform&#8217; actually begins? By massively investing in the bureaucratic side (USCIS) of legal immigration. Clear the fucking backlog for people already in the queue, then reform the laws however you see fit. If there&#8217;s a transparent and speedy immigration process, backed up by a well-funded bureaucracy, then there&#8217;s much less incentive to go to the <i>coyotes</i>. Until that happens, no amount of dick-swinging and fence building will help.</p>
<p>Lou Dobbs has it ass-backwards. You can&#8217;t &#8217;secure the borders&#8217; then look at the law and its administration, because once you play border theatre, the election has passed and no-one gives a shit any more.</p>
<p>Instead, you get the paradoxically chauvinistic use of the purported number of &#8216;illegal&#8217; immigrants (and that&#8217;s a very loose term to cover a lot of situations) to suggest that America is oh-so-great because millions of people are desparate to enter. If no-one <i>wanted</i> to come to America, I bet Dobbs would be complaining for different reasons.</p>
<p>The amount of ignorance on display here is amazing, and it&#8217;s because the only people who really understand immigration in the US are either immigration lawyers or immigrants themselves. And the latter group doesn&#8217;t get to vote. On the other hand, talking tough about Mexicans brings out the Deliverance wing in droves.</p>
<p>All that talk about &#8216;tamper-proof IDs with digital fingerprints&#8217;? Every pundit was oohing about that. Every immigrant was thinking &#8216;Huh? Sounds just like my green card or EAD.&#8217; Every illegal immigrant was thinking &#8216;fuck that, it&#8217;s easier to claim I&#8217;m a US citizen.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Humbug</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10315</link>
		<author>Humbug</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 20:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "Jobs Americans Won't Do" line drives me crazy as well.

Guess that explains why all Americans are stockbrokers and CEOs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Jobs Americans Won&#8217;t Do&#8221; line drives me crazy as well.</p>
<p>Guess that explains why all Americans are stockbrokers and CEOs.</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10314</link>
		<author>patrick</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 13:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The name for this immigration /workforce issue should be "TEXAS SLAVERY".  If you lure someone into your employ with promises of freedom and streets of gold just over the horizon, the game you are playing is Texas Hold'em.  The difference between the poker game and the human slave trade is the verbage, and that is to make the players feel better about what they are doing so they keep playing.  If they had been raised right by good people, they would not consider playing games with people and their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The name for this immigration /workforce issue should be &#8220;TEXAS SLAVERY&#8221;.  If you lure someone into your employ with promises of freedom and streets of gold just over the horizon, the game you are playing is Texas Hold&#8217;em.  The difference between the poker game and the human slave trade is the verbage, and that is to make the players feel better about what they are doing so they keep playing.  If they had been raised right by good people, they would not consider playing games with people and their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: moonbiter</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10313</link>
		<author>moonbiter</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 06:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10313</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great stuff greg. What really drives me nuts about all of this is that &lt;strong&gt;the crime we are talking about here is basically about not properly filing the paperwork and waiting patiently enough in line&lt;/strong&gt;. For this, folks want to build the Great Wall of Texas and man it 24 x 7 with a paramilitary force equipped with minefields and robotic spy planes.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Yeah, that makes a lot of economic sense.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff greg. What really drives me nuts about all of this is that <strong>the crime we are talking about here is basically about not properly filing the paperwork and waiting patiently enough in line</strong>. For this, folks want to build the Great Wall of Texas and man it 24 x 7 with a paramilitary force equipped with minefields and robotic spy planes.</p>
<p>Yeah, that makes a lot of economic sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Meyer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10312</link>
		<author>Mike Meyer</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 May 2006 04:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What we will end up with is a 1.9 billion dollar fence that will cost 3 billion and 10 years to build. Except for the illegals actually at work building the fence, all others will go around. Everything else will look the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What we will end up with is a 1.9 billion dollar fence that will cost 3 billion and 10 years to build. Except for the illegals actually at work building the fence, all others will go around. Everything else will look the same.</p>
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		<title>By: coasterbear</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10311</link>
		<author>coasterbear</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 23:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While most of what you say is true and needs to be said, it should be noted that our agricultural system has been dependent on "migrant labor" since at least the great depression, and many of these have traditionally been illegal immigrants.  So no, we didn't have "self-picking fruit", but it's been a long time since farm owners were willing to pay what it would take to get most Americans to spend long hours stooped over in the hot sun picking strawberries.  It seems others have learned from the farmers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While most of what you say is true and needs to be said, it should be noted that our agricultural system has been dependent on &#8220;migrant labor&#8221; since at least the great depression, and many of these have traditionally been illegal immigrants.  So no, we didn&#8217;t have &#8220;self-picking fruit&#8221;, but it&#8217;s been a long time since farm owners were willing to pay what it would take to get most Americans to spend long hours stooped over in the hot sun picking strawberries.  It seems others have learned from the farmers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rob payne</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10310</link>
		<author>rob payne</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 23:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10310</guid>
		<description>A study by the Hispanic Pew foundation shows that illegal immigration has not grown at a steady rate rather it grows in spurts. One large increase was in the mid 1990’s at about the same time NAFTA went into effect. 

 I think we need to ask ourselves is illegal immigration really an important issue in the face of things like Medicare, Katrina and the war in Iraq. I think logic says it is not. NAFTA has been a disaster not only for Mexico but for the U.S. and Canada as well.

 So what is the issue with illegal immigration, the issue is probably a created one hyped by a desperate republican party who are worried about staying in power. Immigration is not taking jobs from Americans rather it is NAFTA that is taking jobs from Americans and Mexicans and Canadians and here is why.

From Public Citizen:

http://www.citizen.org/trade/nafta/

Why such divergent views? NAFTA was a radical experiment - never before had a merger of three nations with such radically different levels of development been attempted. Plus, until NAFTA "trade" agreements only dealt with cutting tariffs and lifting quotas to set the terms of trade in goods between countries. But NAFTA contained 900 pages of one-size-fits-all rules to which each nation was required to conform all of its domestic laws - regardless of whether voters and their democratically-elected representatives had previously rejected the very same policies in Congress, state legislatures or city councils. NAFTA required limits on the safety and inspection of meat sold in our grocery stores; new patent rules that raised medicine prices; constraints on your local government's ability to zone against sprawl or toxic industries; and elimination of preferences for spending your tax dollars on U.S.-made products or locally-grown food. In fact, calling NAFTA a "trade" agreement is misleading, NAFTA is really an investment agreement. Its core provisions grant foreign investors a remarkable set of new rights and privileges that promote relocation abroad of factories and jobs and the privatization and deregulation of essential services, such as water, energy and health care.

Remarkably, many of NAFTA's most passionate boosters in Congress and among economists never read the agreement. They made their pie-in-the-sky promises of NAFTA benefits based on trade theory and ideological prejudice for anything with the term "free trade" attached to it. Now, ten years later, the time for conjecture and promises is over: the data are in and they clearly show the damage NAFTA has wrought for millions of people in the U.S., Mexico and Canada. Thankfully, the failed NAFTA model - a watered down version of which is also contained in the World Trade Organization (WTO) - is merely one among many options. Throughout the world, people suffering with the consequences of this disastrous experiment are organizing to demand the better world we know is possible. But, we face a race against time. The same interests who got us into NAFTA are now pushing to expand it and lock in 31 more countries in Latin American and the Caribbean through the proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) and five Central American countries through a Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A study by the Hispanic Pew foundation shows that illegal immigration has not grown at a steady rate rather it grows in spurts. One large increase was in the mid 1990’s at about the same time NAFTA went into effect. </p>
<p> I think we need to ask ourselves is illegal immigration really an important issue in the face of things like Medicare, Katrina and the war in Iraq. I think logic says it is not. NAFTA has been a disaster not only for Mexico but for the U.S. and Canada as well.</p>
<p> So what is the issue with illegal immigration, the issue is probably a created one hyped by a desperate republican party who are worried about staying in power. Immigration is not taking jobs from Americans rather it is NAFTA that is taking jobs from Americans and Mexicans and Canadians and here is why.</p>
<p>From Public Citizen:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.citizen.org/trade/nafta/" rel="nofollow">http://www.citizen.org/trade/nafta/</a></p>
<p>Why such divergent views? NAFTA was a radical experiment - never before had a merger of three nations with such radically different levels of development been attempted. Plus, until NAFTA &#8220;trade&#8221; agreements only dealt with cutting tariffs and lifting quotas to set the terms of trade in goods between countries. But NAFTA contained 900 pages of one-size-fits-all rules to which each nation was required to conform all of its domestic laws - regardless of whether voters and their democratically-elected representatives had previously rejected the very same policies in Congress, state legislatures or city councils. NAFTA required limits on the safety and inspection of meat sold in our grocery stores; new patent rules that raised medicine prices; constraints on your local government&#8217;s ability to zone against sprawl or toxic industries; and elimination of preferences for spending your tax dollars on U.S.-made products or locally-grown food. In fact, calling NAFTA a &#8220;trade&#8221; agreement is misleading, NAFTA is really an investment agreement. Its core provisions grant foreign investors a remarkable set of new rights and privileges that promote relocation abroad of factories and jobs and the privatization and deregulation of essential services, such as water, energy and health care.</p>
<p>Remarkably, many of NAFTA&#8217;s most passionate boosters in Congress and among economists never read the agreement. They made their pie-in-the-sky promises of NAFTA benefits based on trade theory and ideological prejudice for anything with the term &#8220;free trade&#8221; attached to it. Now, ten years later, the time for conjecture and promises is over: the data are in and they clearly show the damage NAFTA has wrought for millions of people in the U.S., Mexico and Canada. Thankfully, the failed NAFTA model - a watered down version of which is also contained in the World Trade Organization (WTO) - is merely one among many options. Throughout the world, people suffering with the consequences of this disastrous experiment are organizing to demand the better world we know is possible. But, we face a race against time. The same interests who got us into NAFTA are now pushing to expand it and lock in 31 more countries in Latin American and the Caribbean through the proposed Free Trade Area of the Americas (FTAA) and five Central American countries through a Central American Free Trade Agreement (CAFTA).</p>
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		<title>By: John Lamb</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10309</link>
		<author>John Lamb</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 May 2006 23:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/18/hell-yeah-i-support-amnesty-why-dont-you/#comment-10309</guid>
		<description>Amen and thank you.  You've expressed 20/20 moral vision, factual insight, and political and social courage with this post.

I encourage you to continue to prepare the way for this country to acknowledge its unperformed moral responsibilities toward all people who live here.  To paraphrase the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., the arc of history bends toward justice - and your voice draws us closer to the powerful sweep of that arc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen and thank you.  You&#8217;ve expressed 20/20 moral vision, factual insight, and political and social courage with this post.</p>
<p>I encourage you to continue to prepare the way for this country to acknowledge its unperformed moral responsibilities toward all people who live here.  To paraphrase the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., the arc of history bends toward justice - and your voice draws us closer to the powerful sweep of that arc.</p>
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