Comments on: On the Senate Immigration Bill http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/ Just another WordPress weblog Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:39:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Joe http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10359 Joe Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:58:12 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10359 jojo has a good point. Deport the employers! jojo has a good point. Deport the employers!

]]> By: Mike Meyer http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10358 Mike Meyer Thu, 01 Jun 2006 16:22:13 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10358 The great joy of incompetence IS incompetence. The border is managed as incompetently as possible (maybe room for worse) at this time. This issue is just to occupy our idle moments and doleful lives. It works as is and has for forty years, little if any thing will change. The great joy of incompetence IS incompetence. The border is managed as incompetently as possible (maybe room for worse) at this time. This issue is just to occupy our idle moments and doleful lives. It works as is and has for forty years, little if any thing will change.

]]> By: Richard http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10357 Richard Wed, 31 May 2006 03:53:00 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10357 "SATAN, n. One of the Creator's lamentable mistakes, repented in sashcloth and axes. Being instated as an archangel, Satan made himself multifariously objectionable and was finally expelled from Heaven. Halfway in his descent he paused, bent his head in thought a moment and at last went back. "There is one favor that I should like to ask," said he. "Name it." "Man, I understand, is about to be created. He will need laws." "What, wretch! you his appointed adversary, charged from the dawn of eternity with hatred of his soul -- you ask for the right to make his laws?" "Pardon; what I have to ask is that he be permitted to make them himself." It was so ordered. " Ambrose Bierce "Since taking office in 2001, President Bush has issued signing statements on more than 750 new laws, declaring that he has the power to set aside the laws when they conflict with his legal interpretation of the Constitution. March 9: Justice Department officials must give reports to Congress by certain dates on how the FBI is using the USA Patriot Act to search homes and secretly seize papers. Bush's signing statement: The president can order Justice Department officials to withhold any information from Congress if he decides it could impair national security or executive branch operations. Dec. 30, 2005: US interrogators cannot torture prisoners or otherwise subject them to cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment. Bush's signing statement: The president, as commander in chief, can waive the torture ban if he decides that harsh interrogation techniques will assist in preventing terrorist attacks. Dec. 30: When requested, scientific information ''prepared by government researchers and scientists shall be transmitted [to Congress] uncensored and without delay." Bush's signing statement: The president can tell researchers to withhold any information from Congress if he decides its disclosure could impair foreign relations, national security, or the workings of the executive branch. Aug. 8: The Department of Energy, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and its contractors may not fire or otherwise punish an employee whistle-blower who tells Congress about possible wrongdoing. Bush's signing statement: The president or his appointees will determine whether employees of the Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission can give information to Congress. Dec. 23, 2004: Forbids US troops in Colombia from participating in any combat against rebels, except in cases of self-defense. Caps the number of US troops allowed in Colombia at 800. Bush's signing statement: Only the president, as commander in chief, can place restrictions on the use of US armed forces, so the executive branch will construe the law ''as advisory in nature. Aug. 5: The military cannot add to its files any illegally gathered intelligence, including information obtained about Americans in violation of the Fourth Amendment's protection against unreasonable searches. Bush's signing statement: Only the president, as commander in chief, can tell the military whether or not it can use any specific piece of intelligence. Nov. 6, 2003: US officials in Iraq cannot prevent an inspector general for the Coalition Provisional Authority from carrying out any investigation. The inspector general must tell Congress if officials refuse to cooperate with his inquiries. Bush's signing statement: The inspector general ''shall refrain" from investigating anything involving sensitive plans, intelligence, national security, or anything already being investigated by the Pentagon. The inspector cannot tell Congress anything if the president decides that disclosing the information would impair foreign relations, national security, or executive branch operations. Boston Globe "Seriously guys, do you really want the people who screwed up Iraq and New Orleans to bring their bold and decisive leadership to the border?" Greg "Ummmmmmmmm....no." Rich “SATAN, n.
One of the Creator’s lamentable mistakes, repented in sashcloth and axes. Being instated as an archangel, Satan made himself multifariously objectionable and was finally expelled from Heaven. Halfway in his descent he paused, bent his head in thought a moment and at last went back. “There is one favor that I should like to ask,” said he.

“Name it.”

“Man, I understand, is about to be created. He will need laws.”

“What, wretch! you his appointed adversary, charged from the dawn of eternity with hatred of his soul — you ask for the right to make his laws?”

“Pardon; what I have to ask is that he be permitted to make them himself.”

It was so ordered. ”
Ambrose Bierce

“Since taking office in 2001, President Bush has issued signing statements on more than 750 new laws, declaring that he has the power to set aside the laws when they conflict with his legal interpretation of the Constitution.

March 9: Justice Department officials must give reports to Congress by certain dates on how the FBI is using the USA Patriot Act to search homes and secretly seize papers.

Bush’s signing statement: The president can order Justice Department officials to withhold any information from Congress if he decides it could impair national security or executive branch operations.

Dec. 30, 2005: US interrogators cannot torture prisoners or otherwise subject them to cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment.

Bush’s signing statement: The president, as commander in chief, can waive the torture ban if he decides that harsh interrogation techniques will assist in preventing terrorist attacks.

Dec. 30: When requested, scientific information ”prepared by government researchers and scientists shall be transmitted [to Congress] uncensored and without delay.”

Bush’s signing statement: The president can tell researchers to withhold any information from Congress if he decides its disclosure could impair foreign relations, national security, or the workings of the executive branch.

Aug. 8: The Department of Energy, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission and its contractors may not fire or otherwise punish an employee whistle-blower who tells Congress about possible wrongdoing.

Bush’s signing statement: The president or his appointees will determine whether employees of the Department of Energy and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission can give information to Congress.

Dec. 23, 2004: Forbids US troops in Colombia from participating in any combat against rebels, except in cases of self-defense. Caps the number of US troops allowed in Colombia at 800.

Bush’s signing statement: Only the president, as commander in chief, can place restrictions on the use of US armed forces, so the executive branch will construe the law ”as advisory in nature.

Aug. 5: The military cannot add to its files any illegally gathered intelligence, including information obtained about Americans in violation of the Fourth Amendment’s protection against unreasonable searches.

Bush’s signing statement: Only the president, as commander in chief, can tell the military whether or not it can use any specific piece of intelligence.

Nov. 6, 2003: US officials in Iraq cannot prevent an inspector general for the Coalition Provisional Authority from carrying out any investigation. The inspector general must tell Congress if officials refuse to cooperate with his inquiries.

Bush’s signing statement: The inspector general ‘’shall refrain” from investigating anything involving sensitive plans, intelligence, national security, or anything already being investigated by the Pentagon. The inspector cannot tell Congress anything if the president decides that disclosing the information would impair foreign relations, national security, or executive branch operations.
Boston Globe

“Seriously guys, do you really want the people who screwed up Iraq and New Orleans to bring their bold and decisive leadership to the border?”
Greg

“Ummmmmmmmm….no.”
Rich

]]> By: jojo http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10356 jojo Tue, 30 May 2006 13:49:07 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10356 Off course it's amnesty! They're breaking the law, and the ones who have broken it the longest get the best deal! No jail. No deportation. They...broke...the...law. So did the employers. All deserve punishment. Off course it’s amnesty!

They’re breaking the law, and the ones who have broken it the longest get the best deal! No jail. No deportation.

They…broke…the…law.

So did the employers.

All deserve punishment.

]]> By: jojo http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10355 jojo Tue, 30 May 2006 13:48:38 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10355 Off course it's amnesty! They're breaking the law, and the ones who have broken it the longest get the best deal! No jail. No deportation. They...broke...the...law. So did the employers. All deserve punishment. Off course it’s amnesty!

They’re breaking the law, and the ones who have broken it the longest get the best deal! No jail. No deportation.

They…broke…the…law.

So did the employers.

All deserve punishment.

]]> By: rob payne http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10354 rob payne Sun, 28 May 2006 23:00:29 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10354 Good point Mike. We would not want to look at what is really important it might make us look bad, much better to manufacture phony issues. Good point Mike. We would not want to look at what is really important it might make us look bad, much better to manufacture phony issues.

]]> By: Mike Meyer http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10353 Mike Meyer Sun, 28 May 2006 16:01:56 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10353 The House Bill AND The Senate Bill must match for a law to be created to be signed in by the President. They are 180 degrees apart at this time. This is just playtime for Congress to avoid issues more pressing in nature. (war, spying, BUDGET, DEFICIT) Happy diversions. The House Bill AND The Senate Bill must match for a law to be created to be signed in by the President. They are 180 degrees apart at this time. This is just playtime for Congress to avoid issues more pressing in nature. (war, spying, BUDGET, DEFICIT) Happy diversions.

]]> By: rob payne http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10352 rob payne Sun, 28 May 2006 06:42:19 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10352 Becky, Ken Lay only got convicted for stock fraud but he walks on the 9 billion he soaked California and Texas for. Amnesty for Ken Lay would be Amnesty indeed, with a vengeance. Becky,

Ken Lay only got convicted for stock fraud but he walks on the 9 billion he soaked California and Texas for. Amnesty for Ken Lay would be Amnesty indeed, with a vengeance.

]]> By: Becky http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10351 Becky Sat, 27 May 2006 14:32:01 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10351 Amnesty is when Ken Lay gets pardoned. Amnesty is when Ken Lay gets pardoned.

]]> By: rob payne http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10350 rob payne Sat, 27 May 2006 06:09:59 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/05/25/on-the-senate-immigration-bill/#comment-10350 What matters it if the fine were one hundred thousand dollars if none of this is enforced as in now the case? One question might be if they have not enforced existing laws in the past what makes anyone believe they would enforce it in the future? And if there is no enforcement what is this legislation accomplishing? If you look at the hysterical post by America’s Last Stand above I think it is quite evident what this whole issue is about. It is a divisive issue meant by the republican congress to stir up racist sentiment in their base in order to retain their stranglehold on congress. And by the tone of ALS’s post above it seems to be working out quite well. What matters it if the fine were one hundred thousand dollars if none of this is enforced as in now the case? One question might be if they have not enforced existing laws in the past what makes anyone believe they would enforce it in the future? And if there is no enforcement what is this legislation accomplishing? If you look at the hysterical post by America’s Last Stand above I think it is quite evident what this whole issue is about. It is a divisive issue meant by the republican congress to stir up racist sentiment in their base in order to retain their stranglehold on congress. And by the tone of ALS’s post above it seems to be working out quite well.

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