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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Sudoku is like a crossword puzzle for people who can only count to nine.&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Aug 2006 17:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That all-purpose solution is ridiculous. In the time it would take you to fill and erase all of those numbers, you could have a good chunk of the puzzle solved. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That all-purpose solution is ridiculous. In the time it would take you to fill and erase all of those numbers, you could have a good chunk of the puzzle solved.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 19:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Onion sums it up best:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51153&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Commuter Playing Some Sort Of Alphabet Sudoku&lt;/a&gt;

I have loved logic puzzles for years.    Sudoku is the NASCAR of logic puzzles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Onion sums it up best:<br />
<a href="http://www.theonion.com/content/node/51153" rel="nofollow">Commuter Playing Some Sort Of Alphabet Sudoku</a></p>
<p>I have loved logic puzzles for years.    Sudoku is the NASCAR of logic puzzles.</p>
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		<title>By: FooBar</title>
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		<dc:creator>FooBar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh. My friend and I have had this discussion before. She&#039;s a crossword fan, I enjoy Sudoku and other type of logic puzzles. What I find appealing about Sudoku (and kakuro, hashi (Bridges), hanjie (pixel puzzles), etc) is that all the information you need for a solution is contained within the puzzle. For crosswords, as Chris alluded to, if you simply don&#039;t know a particular piece of triva that&#039;s the answer to one of the clues you have no way of completing the puzzle without going to an outside source (google, crossword dictionary , whatever). Of course, my friend would jump in and say that&#039;s part of the beauty of crosswords for her - the opportunity to expand her horizons. :-) 

Personally I actually enjoy creating crossword puzzles more than playing them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh. My friend and I have had this discussion before. She&#8217;s a crossword fan, I enjoy Sudoku and other type of logic puzzles. What I find appealing about Sudoku (and kakuro, hashi (Bridges), hanjie (pixel puzzles), etc) is that all the information you need for a solution is contained within the puzzle. For crosswords, as Chris alluded to, if you simply don&#8217;t know a particular piece of triva that&#8217;s the answer to one of the clues you have no way of completing the puzzle without going to an outside source (google, crossword dictionary , whatever). Of course, my friend would jump in and say that&#8217;s part of the beauty of crosswords for her &#8211; the opportunity to expand her horizons. :-) </p>
<p>Personally I actually enjoy creating crossword puzzles more than playing them.</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
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		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 17:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My 7-year-old loves Sudoku, but still struggles with anything beyond 2 syllables when playing Scrabble, and couldn&#039;t begin to work our local newspaper&#039;s crossword puzzle; he lacks exposure to the thousands of bits of ephemera that can be referenced in just a week of NYT puzzles.  One requires a basic level of logic, the other logic, linguistics and cultural awareness/education; they can&#039;t really be compared.  

(It also happens that Sudoku gives me a headache, while crossword puzzles give me satisfaction.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My 7-year-old loves Sudoku, but still struggles with anything beyond 2 syllables when playing Scrabble, and couldn&#8217;t begin to work our local newspaper&#8217;s crossword puzzle; he lacks exposure to the thousands of bits of ephemera that can be referenced in just a week of NYT puzzles.  One requires a basic level of logic, the other logic, linguistics and cultural awareness/education; they can&#8217;t really be compared.  </p>
<p>(It also happens that Sudoku gives me a headache, while crossword puzzles give me satisfaction.)</p>
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		<title>By: Misplaced Patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Misplaced Patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That &#039;one-size-fits-all&#039; strategy actually doesn&#039;t work for any but the most basic Sudoku puzzles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That &#8216;one-size-fits-all&#8217; strategy actually doesn&#8217;t work for any but the most basic Sudoku puzzles.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;one-size-fits-all&quot; that you linked to does not, in fact, fit all.  It works for easy-level sudokus; the more difficult ones require a more sophisticated bag of tricks and can actually give you a little twinge of satisfaction when you crack them.  That being said, at least you can occasionally learn a little something from crosswords (like, the sash around a kimono is called an &quot;obi&quot;).

I can usually kill most of my daily commute by doing the crossword, the sudoko, and God help me, the Jumble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;one-size-fits-all&#8221; that you linked to does not, in fact, fit all.  It works for easy-level sudokus; the more difficult ones require a more sophisticated bag of tricks and can actually give you a little twinge of satisfaction when you crack them.  That being said, at least you can occasionally learn a little something from crosswords (like, the sash around a kimono is called an &#8220;obi&#8221;).</p>
<p>I can usually kill most of my daily commute by doing the crossword, the sudoko, and God help me, the Jumble.</p>
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		<title>By: Cris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Aug 2006 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sudoku and crosswords work on fundamentally different levels.  I don&#039;t understand why they&#039;re considered to be in competition with each other. 

Sudoku is a logic puzzle. The criticism that it can be brute forced applies to a huge variety of puzzles in pure logic.  Sudoku puzzles become interesting when the player has to apply multiple observations to uncover a single cell.

Crosswords are essentially vocabulary trivia.  Their interest level is usually a function of how well written the clues are -- the pinnacle of cleverness being &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptic_crosswords&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cryptic Crosswords&lt;/a&gt; -- combined with the sense that the answers are knowable (for instance, I&#039;d rather do a TV Guide crossword than a NASCAR-themed one, because I don&#039;t know anything about car racing).

It seems to me that the two puzzles will be attractive to different people, or to the same person for different reasons. Someone who loves puzzles can enjoy doing both of them. Why aren&#039;t the crossword puzzle makers all pissed off that newspapers run Jumble or cryptograms? 

The problem I have with &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; Sudoku and crosswords is that when you&#039;re done, all you have is a grid full of numbers or letters.  The final solution generally doesn&#039;t have any extra payoff, and so both of them tend to get boring after you reach a certain point.  I find &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_by_numbers&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Paint By Numbers logic puzzles&lt;/a&gt; much more enjoyable than Sudoku, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrostic_%28puzzle%29&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Acrostics&lt;/a&gt; more enjoyable than crosswords, because both of them give you a little prize at the end (a picture for the former, a quotation for the latter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sudoku and crosswords work on fundamentally different levels.  I don&#8217;t understand why they&#8217;re considered to be in competition with each other. </p>
<p>Sudoku is a logic puzzle. The criticism that it can be brute forced applies to a huge variety of puzzles in pure logic.  Sudoku puzzles become interesting when the player has to apply multiple observations to uncover a single cell.</p>
<p>Crosswords are essentially vocabulary trivia.  Their interest level is usually a function of how well written the clues are &#8212; the pinnacle of cleverness being <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptic_crosswords" rel="nofollow">Cryptic Crosswords</a> &#8212; combined with the sense that the answers are knowable (for instance, I&#8217;d rather do a TV Guide crossword than a NASCAR-themed one, because I don&#8217;t know anything about car racing).</p>
<p>It seems to me that the two puzzles will be attractive to different people, or to the same person for different reasons. Someone who loves puzzles can enjoy doing both of them. Why aren&#8217;t the crossword puzzle makers all pissed off that newspapers run Jumble or cryptograms? </p>
<p>The problem I have with <i>both</i> Sudoku and crosswords is that when you&#8217;re done, all you have is a grid full of numbers or letters.  The final solution generally doesn&#8217;t have any extra payoff, and so both of them tend to get boring after you reach a certain point.  I find <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paint_by_numbers" rel="nofollow">Paint By Numbers logic puzzles</a> much more enjoyable than Sudoku, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrostic_%28puzzle%29" rel="nofollow">Acrostics</a> more enjoyable than crosswords, because both of them give you a little prize at the end (a picture for the former, a quotation for the latter).</p>
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