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		<title>By: Ben in VA</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/11/09/maybe-robert-gates-isnt-so-bad-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-11256</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in VA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, the Obnoxious Left. Jomamamama, please get off your high horse and cut out the condescension crap. Your holier-than-thou act might make you feel good inside, but it does no good to anyone, anywhere, and in fact harms our cause. If you want to have a civil discussion about serious issues, fine, then we (as leftists/liberals/whatever) should be able to do just that. Stop declaring yourself the Arbiter of All That is Good &amp; Right, open your mind, and play nice with the other children. Inquiries into what the other children are smoking are generally frowned upon.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, the Obnoxious Left. Jomamamama, please get off your high horse and cut out the condescension crap. Your holier-than-thou act might make you feel good inside, but it does no good to anyone, anywhere, and in fact harms our cause. If you want to have a civil discussion about serious issues, fine, then we (as leftists/liberals/whatever) should be able to do just that. Stop declaring yourself the Arbiter of All That is Good &#038; Right, open your mind, and play nice with the other children. Inquiries into what the other children are smoking are generally frowned upon.</p>
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		<title>By: jomamamama</title>
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		<dc:creator>jomamamama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 18:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doobie;
an apology is not enough for committing high crimes against the United States, dude. 
seriously, what DO you have in that pipe of yours?

If I came to your house and stole all your belongings and shot your dog, would you accept a mere &quot;apology&quot; from me? Would you say, &quot;well, at least he was mature enough to say I&#039;m sorry&quot;? I doubt it seriously. You would rightly want me to be imprisoned, because stealing and needlessly killing animals is illegal. 

&quot;I&#039;m sorry&quot; is sufficient for cutting someone off in traffic, or stepping on someone&#039;s toe, but not for LYING TO CONGRESS ABOUT ILLEGAL ARMS SALES TO AN ENEMY NATION.  

we&#039;re supposed to gleefully accept an apology from a f-in CRIMINAL?!?!?
No wonder they call it &quot;dope&quot;.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doobie;<br />
an apology is not enough for committing high crimes against the United States, dude.<br />
seriously, what DO you have in that pipe of yours?</p>
<p>If I came to your house and stole all your belongings and shot your dog, would you accept a mere &#8220;apology&#8221; from me? Would you say, &#8220;well, at least he was mature enough to say I&#8217;m sorry&#8221;? I doubt it seriously. You would rightly want me to be imprisoned, because stealing and needlessly killing animals is illegal. </p>
<p>&#8220;I&#8217;m sorry&#8221; is sufficient for cutting someone off in traffic, or stepping on someone&#8217;s toe, but not for LYING TO CONGRESS ABOUT ILLEGAL ARMS SALES TO AN ENEMY NATION.  </p>
<p>we&#8217;re supposed to gleefully accept an apology from a f-in CRIMINAL?!?!?<br />
No wonder they call it &#8220;dope&#8221;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Doobie</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2006/11/09/maybe-robert-gates-isnt-so-bad-after-all/comment-page-1/#comment-11254</link>
		<dc:creator>Doobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 22:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;For what it&#039;s worth&quot; means just that. It&#039;s an acknowledgement that Gates was mature enough to apologize for Iran-Contra, not an endorsement of him as defense secretary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For what it&#8217;s worth&#8221; means just that. It&#8217;s an acknowledgement that Gates was mature enough to apologize for Iran-Contra, not an endorsement of him as defense secretary.</p>
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		<title>By: bonica_babe</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonica_babe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Nov 2006 21:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have been hoodwinked. This is same circus different clowns. the personality type, the distortion of intelligence, the inability to speak truth to power -- all perilous personal qualities.  Common Dreams includes this interesting writeup of this guy, and he isn&#039;t an improvement on sliced bread.

http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1110-28.htm

We just had an election here in CT in which pro gay marriage flyers purporting to be from one candidate (but not)were sent to African American pentacostalists to switch the vote to GOP. How were they targeted?

The Bushies have a finely honed &quot;opinion guidance&quot; tool now, based on combining consumer data with voting history, and you can bet they know where you live and how to get through to you.

You must be listed as an A&amp;M alum, and got the &quot;AGGIES&quot; version of the mass email bomb, using the &quot;he&#039;s one of us&quot; flavor of persuasion to encourage you  to support a dangerous guy who is NO improvement over Rumsfeld.

This president and his minions see all problems as public relations problems. They are constitutionally (in both senses) unable to grapple with their own mistakes and shortcomings, and hold tight to their neocon perspectives regardless of the facts. Because they rule from ideology, and not rational, fact based thinking, this is not going to change.

The Iraq War&#039;s current status is a monument to this administration&#039;s failure to come to grips with the hard facts about what&#039;s actually going on in Iraq, failure to place their trust in the best and brightest our military has to offer (who have been repeatedly and systematically ignored and marginalized) and intransigence about departing from a flawed think tank neocon ideology that has put this country in a world of hurt.

They will be dragged kicking and screaming away from this war, make no mistake.

The reason everything looks so deadly difficult is that they are steadfastly refusing to resort to facts and professional advice, and substituting a naive, insular set of unproven theories coupled with a preference for people who are willing to roll over and go along with the koolaid flavor of the day instead of standing up and thinking.  They have made a situation which was always going to be challenging into a Sisyphean nightmare because of their subbornness.  It&#039;s HARD to plan a strategy when Rule # 1 is don&#039;t look at the facts, and Rule #2 is &quot;select people who agree with us, rather than the most experienced and skilled candidates&quot;.

If you haven&#039;t read FIASCO by Thomas Ricks, just think &quot;The mentality and incompetency of Katrina/levee failure played out in the Middle East&quot; and you will have the executive summary about what&#039;s gone wrong there.

Taking the same mentality in a different skin does not represent a quantum leap in progress or a sea change in the Dept of Defense. I only pray that our retired military officers speak up and object to this charade.  Bushco remain unbowed and unchastened, refusing to submit to the rigor of rationality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have been hoodwinked. This is same circus different clowns. the personality type, the distortion of intelligence, the inability to speak truth to power &#8212; all perilous personal qualities.  Common Dreams includes this interesting writeup of this guy, and he isn&#8217;t an improvement on sliced bread.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1110-28.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/views06/1110-28.htm</a></p>
<p>We just had an election here in CT in which pro gay marriage flyers purporting to be from one candidate (but not)were sent to African American pentacostalists to switch the vote to GOP. How were they targeted?</p>
<p>The Bushies have a finely honed &#8220;opinion guidance&#8221; tool now, based on combining consumer data with voting history, and you can bet they know where you live and how to get through to you.</p>
<p>You must be listed as an A&#038;M alum, and got the &#8220;AGGIES&#8221; version of the mass email bomb, using the &#8220;he&#8217;s one of us&#8221; flavor of persuasion to encourage you  to support a dangerous guy who is NO improvement over Rumsfeld.</p>
<p>This president and his minions see all problems as public relations problems. They are constitutionally (in both senses) unable to grapple with their own mistakes and shortcomings, and hold tight to their neocon perspectives regardless of the facts. Because they rule from ideology, and not rational, fact based thinking, this is not going to change.</p>
<p>The Iraq War&#8217;s current status is a monument to this administration&#8217;s failure to come to grips with the hard facts about what&#8217;s actually going on in Iraq, failure to place their trust in the best and brightest our military has to offer (who have been repeatedly and systematically ignored and marginalized) and intransigence about departing from a flawed think tank neocon ideology that has put this country in a world of hurt.</p>
<p>They will be dragged kicking and screaming away from this war, make no mistake.</p>
<p>The reason everything looks so deadly difficult is that they are steadfastly refusing to resort to facts and professional advice, and substituting a naive, insular set of unproven theories coupled with a preference for people who are willing to roll over and go along with the koolaid flavor of the day instead of standing up and thinking.  They have made a situation which was always going to be challenging into a Sisyphean nightmare because of their subbornness.  It&#8217;s HARD to plan a strategy when Rule # 1 is don&#8217;t look at the facts, and Rule #2 is &#8220;select people who agree with us, rather than the most experienced and skilled candidates&#8221;.</p>
<p>If you haven&#8217;t read FIASCO by Thomas Ricks, just think &#8220;The mentality and incompetency of Katrina/levee failure played out in the Middle East&#8221; and you will have the executive summary about what&#8217;s gone wrong there.</p>
<p>Taking the same mentality in a different skin does not represent a quantum leap in progress or a sea change in the Dept of Defense. I only pray that our retired military officers speak up and object to this charade.  Bushco remain unbowed and unchastened, refusing to submit to the rigor of rationality.</p>
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		<title>By: jomamamama</title>
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		<dc:creator>jomamamama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2006 06:00:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yessss, Gates will be RATIONAL...that&#039;s it, rational. yeah, yeah. 
I&#039;m reminded of an old cartoon when someone is warned by a deep, disembodied voice, &quot;DON&#039;T.....YOU......BELIEVE IT!!!....&quot;

doobie...doobie,doobie, doobie....
Gates&#039; apology is supposed to count for anything?? 
&quot;woops, sorry America. I just wiped my ass with the Constitution for craven political gain, and indirectly helped murder civilians caught in the crossfire of the Iran-Iraq war, thanks to my illegal weapons sales. Now, I&#039;m just gonna say I&#039;m sorry, and that&#039;ll be good enough for your stupid ass. Let me lead your sons and daughters in combat! I&#039;ll respect their lives like I respect the law!&quot;

whatcha got in yer pipe man?
that&#039;s like believing the Dems will follow thru on their big promises. They&#039;ll wait for some inane distraction to take your eyes off of them for a second, then go back to servicing their corporate masters. 
Of course, the Dems *are* a little slower to drop to their knees when corporate america comes calling, but not by much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yessss, Gates will be RATIONAL&#8230;that&#8217;s it, rational. yeah, yeah.<br />
I&#8217;m reminded of an old cartoon when someone is warned by a deep, disembodied voice, &#8220;DON&#8217;T&#8230;..YOU&#8230;&#8230;BELIEVE IT!!!&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>doobie&#8230;doobie,doobie, doobie&#8230;.<br />
Gates&#8217; apology is supposed to count for anything??<br />
&#8220;woops, sorry America. I just wiped my ass with the Constitution for craven political gain, and indirectly helped murder civilians caught in the crossfire of the Iran-Iraq war, thanks to my illegal weapons sales. Now, I&#8217;m just gonna say I&#8217;m sorry, and that&#8217;ll be good enough for your stupid ass. Let me lead your sons and daughters in combat! I&#8217;ll respect their lives like I respect the law!&#8221;</p>
<p>whatcha got in yer pipe man?<br />
that&#8217;s like believing the Dems will follow thru on their big promises. They&#8217;ll wait for some inane distraction to take your eyes off of them for a second, then go back to servicing their corporate masters.<br />
Of course, the Dems *are* a little slower to drop to their knees when corporate america comes calling, but not by much.</p>
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		<title>By: Doobie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 23:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, Gates personally apologized about his involvement in Iran-Contra.&lt;br /&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, Gates personally apologized about his involvement in Iran-Contra.</p>
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		<title>By: Bwahahahahaha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bwahahahahaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:13:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If it seems too good to be true, it probably is!  $10 says this was written at the direction of Karl Rove!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it seems too good to be true, it probably is!  $10 says this was written at the direction of Karl Rove!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Furious</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Furious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 17:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TWO years since Bush offered him DCI. He was already at A&amp;M and declined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWO years since Bush offered him DCI. He was already at A&#038;M and declined.</p>
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		<title>By: PiKo</title>
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		<dc:creator>PiKo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 07:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gates has been President of Texas A&amp;M since August 1st 2002. Thats 4 years, not 2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gates has been President of Texas A&#038;M since August 1st 2002. Thats 4 years, not 2.</p>
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		<title>By: rob payne</title>
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		<dc:creator>rob payne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Nov 2006 06:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately I do not think there is going to be any good solution to Iraq. I mean a recent estimate said there were 665,000 Iraqi deaths and there are about 3,000 Americans dead as a direct result of the war. How can there be a good solution to that? I think all we are left with is would be how can we pull out of there while doing the least amount of damage to them and us.
You can be sure over the next two years the republicans will use that fact to the hilt despite their own culpability over Iraq. 

Let’s face it, Iraq is not a quagmire it actually ranks among the biggest fuck-ups this country ever produced and calling it a quagmire somehow does not do what happened and is happening justice. And Bush does not have a clue as to what to do because he never had a plan other than staying in office and using Iraq to claim more and more power. Everything else is just a by-product to Bush and it is the reason he never had a plan for the invasion or what came after.

Bush told us it would be up to another president to pull the troops out of Iraq, typical of our prez, it is how his whole life unfolded, make messes and let someone else do the cleanup. 

What Bush feared the most in this election was losing control of congress because he did not want to be investigated. Well, he lost control of congress and now there will be investigations, lots of investigations. But somehow I suppose Bush will just be able to walk away from it all as his miserable term in office ends. Bush came in like a tiger but chances are he will go out with a whimper. However it happens it will do no good for the hundreds of thousands of people who might still be alive today if Bush had never been born because this has been Bush’s war from the get-go, he pushed and he pushed for it despite all the warnings from people who actually knew something about the Middle East and instead he chose to listen to idiots which made it easier somehow to convince all the other idiots that we had no choice. So here we are and there they are and all we have left is ten pounds of horse manure in a five pound bag.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately I do not think there is going to be any good solution to Iraq. I mean a recent estimate said there were 665,000 Iraqi deaths and there are about 3,000 Americans dead as a direct result of the war. How can there be a good solution to that? I think all we are left with is would be how can we pull out of there while doing the least amount of damage to them and us.<br />
You can be sure over the next two years the republicans will use that fact to the hilt despite their own culpability over Iraq. </p>
<p>Let’s face it, Iraq is not a quagmire it actually ranks among the biggest fuck-ups this country ever produced and calling it a quagmire somehow does not do what happened and is happening justice. And Bush does not have a clue as to what to do because he never had a plan other than staying in office and using Iraq to claim more and more power. Everything else is just a by-product to Bush and it is the reason he never had a plan for the invasion or what came after.</p>
<p>Bush told us it would be up to another president to pull the troops out of Iraq, typical of our prez, it is how his whole life unfolded, make messes and let someone else do the cleanup. </p>
<p>What Bush feared the most in this election was losing control of congress because he did not want to be investigated. Well, he lost control of congress and now there will be investigations, lots of investigations. But somehow I suppose Bush will just be able to walk away from it all as his miserable term in office ends. Bush came in like a tiger but chances are he will go out with a whimper. However it happens it will do no good for the hundreds of thousands of people who might still be alive today if Bush had never been born because this has been Bush’s war from the get-go, he pushed and he pushed for it despite all the warnings from people who actually knew something about the Middle East and instead he chose to listen to idiots which made it easier somehow to convince all the other idiots that we had no choice. So here we are and there they are and all we have left is ten pounds of horse manure in a five pound bag.</p>
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