Comments on: The Sicko Double Standard http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/ Just another WordPress weblog Mon, 01 Mar 2010 20:58:51 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: Seesh http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13790 Seesh Thu, 19 Jul 2007 03:03:50 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13790 Top 10 Reasons why CNN is better than the BBC World Service: 10) We can afford James Earl Jones to read our tagline. So there BBC!! 9) Graphics! You call those graphics!! Heck, we spend more on our graphics than you spend on your whole show!!! Shows what you get when you allow commercials to run half the time. 8) Larry King - I learn so much from that man! 7) BBC files stories from Mauritius and Mali and stupid countries like that that don't even exist. 6) No crane shots in studio. 5) Who cares about the climate in Cambodia. Do they even *have* climate in Cambodia? 4) I like commercials. They're almost as slick as the news itself!! 3) The BBC calls people "communist" or "socialist" like it's some kind of sociopolitical viewpoint, instead of the evil mark of the beast we all know it to be. Who writes the copy at the BBC anyhow? Might it be... SATAN!!! RED CHINA!! RED CHINESE ILLEGAL ALIENS WORKING HERE ILLEGALLY TO GLOBALIZE AWAY THE JOBS OF THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS FOR RED CHINESE MEXICANS!!!!!!?????? (That's news, by the way.) 2) They talk too much. It hurts my head. I like my news short and snappy! 1)SHE IS TOO NEWS!!! AND HER CHIHUAHUA TOO!!! Top 10 Reasons why CNN is better than the BBC World Service:

10) We can afford James Earl Jones to read our tagline. So there BBC!!

9) Graphics! You call those graphics!! Heck, we spend more on our graphics than you spend on your whole show!!! Shows what you get when you allow commercials to run half the time.

8) Larry King – I learn so much from that man!

7) BBC files stories from Mauritius and Mali and stupid countries like that that don’t even exist.

6) No crane shots in studio.

5) Who cares about the climate in Cambodia. Do they even *have* climate in Cambodia?

4) I like commercials. They’re almost as slick as the news itself!!

3) The BBC calls people “communist” or “socialist” like it’s some kind of sociopolitical viewpoint, instead of the evil mark of the beast we all know it to be. Who writes the copy at the BBC anyhow? Might it be… SATAN!!! RED CHINA!! RED CHINESE ILLEGAL ALIENS WORKING HERE ILLEGALLY TO GLOBALIZE AWAY THE JOBS OF THE AMERICAN MIDDLE CLASS FOR RED CHINESE MEXICANS!!!!!!?????? (That’s news, by the way.)

2) They talk too much. It hurts my head. I like my news short and snappy!

1)SHE IS TOO NEWS!!! AND HER CHIHUAHUA TOO!!!

]]> By: rk http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13766 rk Fri, 13 Jul 2007 16:35:30 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13766 Of course the fundamental purpose of the "fact checking" is to obscure one of the main health care issue: Do U.S. citizens get good value for their health care dollar? It doesn't matter whether you're using data from 2004 or 2007, whether Cuba spends $229/person or $251, whether the US spends over $7,000/person or $6,096/person. What matters is do the data match the source, are they consistent, and most importantly what do the data tell us. There is no question that U.S. citizens spend more on health care than citizens in other OECD countries (on average) and receive a lower quality of care. Nobody debates that and CNN shouldn't try to obscure that with their "fact-checking." Of course the fundamental purpose of the “fact checking” is to obscure one of the main health care issue: Do U.S. citizens get good value for their health care dollar? It doesn’t matter whether you’re using data from 2004 or 2007, whether Cuba spends $229/person or $251, whether the US spends over $7,000/person or $6,096/person. What matters is do the data match the source, are they consistent, and most importantly what do the data tell us. There is no question that U.S. citizens spend more on health care than citizens in other OECD countries (on average) and receive a lower quality of care. Nobody debates that and CNN shouldn’t try to obscure that with their “fact-checking.”

]]> By: rezboscace http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13754 rezboscace Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:02:02 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13754 "CNN’s failure to understand that is what’s most infuriating about their “fact check” segment they used to trash Sicko (and avoid getting angry phone calls from wingnuts)." They understand. They only pretend not to. “CNN’s failure to understand that is what’s most infuriating about their “fact check” segment they used to trash Sicko (and avoid getting angry phone calls from wingnuts).”

They understand. They only pretend not to.

]]> By: Easier than thinking « Sting of Reason http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13748 Easier than thinking « Sting of Reason Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:53:54 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13748 [...] came to my attention courtesy of Greg Saunders: $15.6 billion! That would be scary if we weren’t spending that much money every month in Iraq. [...] [...] came to my attention courtesy of Greg Saunders: $15.6 billion! That would be scary if we weren’t spending that much money every month in Iraq. [...]

]]> By: bob48burg http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13747 bob48burg Thu, 12 Jul 2007 13:01:03 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13747 Wolf Blitzer and Sanjay Gupta--legends in their own minds, thanks to fudging the facts. Wolf Blitzer and Sanjay Gupta–legends in their own minds, thanks to fudging the facts.

]]> By: Mighty Ponygirl http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13746 Mighty Ponygirl Thu, 12 Jul 2007 12:46:38 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13746 I watched the original interview by chance and was really upset by it... particularly the part where Moore was calling Blitzer and CNN for taking big pharma sponsorship which creates a conflict of interest in their reporting -- to which Blitzer replies that they run ads for Sicko during the breaks. Moore (rightly) points out that running 15 second spots is not the same as nightly sponsorship, prompting Blitzer to explain that well, CNN is a business and they have to make money. So he basically admits that it isn't about journalistic credibility, it's about making money. I had a fun time yelling at the TV that night. I watched the original interview by chance and was really upset by it… particularly the part where Moore was calling Blitzer and CNN for taking big pharma sponsorship which creates a conflict of interest in their reporting — to which Blitzer replies that they run ads for Sicko during the breaks. Moore (rightly) points out that running 15 second spots is not the same as nightly sponsorship, prompting Blitzer to explain that well, CNN is a business and they have to make money. So he basically admits that it isn’t about journalistic credibility, it’s about making money.

I had a fun time yelling at the TV that night.

]]> By: Raznor http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13743 Raznor Thu, 12 Jul 2007 07:25:25 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13743 What pisses me off is they decided not to give Moore the full hour on Larry King so they could interview Paris fucking Hilton, and now they force him to defend his movie against bulshit arguments. CNN is less than worthless. Stuff like this is worse than Faux News, at least reasonable people realize Fox News is pure propaganda. CNN gets to lend an air of legitimacy to the same propagandistic crap. What pisses me off is they decided not to give Moore the full hour on Larry King so they could interview Paris fucking Hilton, and now they force him to defend his movie against bulshit arguments.

CNN is less than worthless. Stuff like this is worse than Faux News, at least reasonable people realize Fox News is pure propaganda. CNN gets to lend an air of legitimacy to the same propagandistic crap.

]]> By: Jeffrey Dach MD http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13740 Jeffrey Dach MD Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:36:42 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13740 <b>What is the real solution, if Michael Moore’s government sponsored universal health care is not the answer? </b> The crux of the "SICKO" documentary is the disconnect between our expectations and the reality of health care. We are expecting compassionate care from another human being, and instead we get a faceless corporation. The person behind the desk or window is an agent of a health care corporation, which is not a human being, whose primary goal is to increase corporate profit. This is America, and corporate profit is good, the profit motive forming the basis America’s greatness. The basic problem is that a corporation is not a human being. Therein lies the fallacy of replacing a corporation with a government agency, neither of which is a human being, when what we really want is a human being to deliver compassionate health care, and assist in serious health care decisions. Ultimately we must at some point ration health care to avoid national bancruptcy. We can't provide everything for everybody. Moore's film, SICKO replaces the corporate health company with the government agency as the agent of this care rationing. My major point here, is that the larger issue which is ignored by the SICKO film, is the <b>control</b> of medical information, which then determines expenditure and rationing patterns. The control of medical information controls the money. This is explained fully at: <a href="http://jeffreydach.com/2007/07/08/sicko--michael-moore-and-the-crisis-in-health-care-by-jeffrey-dach-md.aspx" rel="nofollow">Review of "SICKO", by Jeffrey Dach MD</a> <a href="http://www.drdach.com/" rel="nofollow">Jeffrey Dach MD</a> What is the real solution, if Michael Moore’s government sponsored universal health care is not the answer?

The crux of the “SICKO” documentary is the disconnect between our expectations and the reality of health care. We are expecting compassionate care from another human being, and instead we get a faceless corporation. The person behind the desk or window is an agent of a health care corporation, which is not a human being, whose primary goal is to increase corporate profit.

This is America, and corporate profit is good, the profit motive forming the basis America’s greatness. The basic problem is that a corporation is not a human being. Therein lies the fallacy of replacing a corporation with a government agency, neither of which is a human being, when what we really want is a human being to deliver compassionate health care, and assist in serious health care decisions.

Ultimately we must at some point ration health care to avoid national bancruptcy. We can’t provide everything for everybody. Moore’s film, SICKO replaces the corporate health company with the government agency as the agent of this care rationing.

My major point here, is that the larger issue which is ignored by the SICKO film, is the control of medical information, which then determines expenditure and rationing patterns. The control of medical information controls the money. This is explained fully at:

Review of “SICKO”, by Jeffrey Dach MD

Jeffrey Dach MD

]]> By: dr2chase http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13739 dr2chase Thu, 12 Jul 2007 01:28:51 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13739 France's deficit, and our monthly Iraq spending, are both about equal to the incredibly bloated and scandalously overrun cost of the Big Dig here in Boston. And don't forget, because we don't pay "taxes" for our health care, the wingnuts think it doesn't matter what it costs. We pay shitloads more per capita than any other country, and we don't even cover all of our people like dozens of other countries do. If we ran our healthcare system at Spanish levels of efficiency, the money we spend now, could cover every single person in North, South, and Central America, and everyone but Canada would do better. (I love saying "Spanish levels of efficiency".) By-the-way, a good source for health care stats is nationmaster.com. Their numbers are not always the most current, but they seem to do a good job of sourcing them, and making sure that they are comparable (just for example, on "Obesity rates" you can track all the way back to OECD spreadsheet, where reporting methods are discussed). France’s deficit, and our monthly Iraq spending, are both about equal to the incredibly bloated and scandalously overrun cost of the Big Dig here in Boston.

And don’t forget, because we don’t pay “taxes” for our health care, the wingnuts think it doesn’t matter what it costs. We pay shitloads more per capita than any other country, and we don’t even cover all of our people like dozens of other countries do. If we ran our healthcare system at Spanish levels of efficiency, the money we spend now, could cover every single person in North, South, and Central America, and everyone but Canada would do better. (I love saying “Spanish levels of efficiency”.)

By-the-way, a good source for health care stats is nationmaster.com. Their numbers are not always the most current, but they seem to do a good job of sourcing them, and making sure that they are comparable (just for example, on “Obesity rates” you can track all the way back to OECD spreadsheet, where reporting methods are discussed).

]]> By: Doobie http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/comment-page-1/#comment-13737 Doobie Wed, 11 Jul 2007 23:43:37 +0000 http://www.thetalentshow.org/2007/07/11/the-sicko-double-standard/#comment-13737 CNN is just kissing the asses of any potential--and/or current--health-care advertisers and their stockholders. CNN is just kissing the asses of any potential–and/or current–health-care advertisers and their stockholders.

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