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	<title>Comments on: (What&#8217;s So Boring &#8216;Bout) Truth, Justice, and the American Way</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15779</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 05:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah... I guess not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah&#8230; I guess not.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15754</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HE was young and impressionable, possibly not yet 18, and he believed what the leaders of his adopted homeland told him, and he let Long die by the assassin's bullet, and of course the blood was on his hands.  For the rest of his life, letting someone die 'for the greater good' never washed with him, and he never again believed, with out evidence, what the powerful asked him to believe.  It was very formative, that experience. Yeah, I totally want to write "A People's History of Superman."  Anyone else?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HE was young and impressionable, possibly not yet 18, and he believed what the leaders of his adopted homeland told him, and he let Long die by the assassin&#8217;s bullet, and of course the blood was on his hands.  For the rest of his life, letting someone die &#8216;for the greater good&#8217; never washed with him, and he never again believed, with out evidence, what the powerful asked him to believe.  It was very formative, that experience. Yeah, I totally want to write &#8220;A People&#8217;s History of Superman.&#8221;  Anyone else?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15750</link>
		<author>Jason</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15750</guid>
		<description>*blink* *boggle* I find Superman interesting not in spite of, but BECAUSE of those weaknesses.  Yes, he's built like a brick outhouse, and yet, he's gone into fights not even expecting to return (not in the monthlys, but in the annual events), to save people that aren't even his own.

Yes, he's a moral absolutist for HIMSELF, he won't kill, he won't torture, but he can't punch cancer or hunger (the nineteen-eightysomething special "Heroes Against Hunger" was something that brought tears to my eyes, Superman not able to  fix things).  And really, he holds himself to a higher standard than any normal person could hope to maintain, although he shows a degree of flexibility in holding others to that code (otherwise, the cops would have told him long ago to lay the hell off, after he'd busted...oh...half the college students in the world in one night)

He never EARNED the powers, that actually makes him MORE heroic.  He was given the whole world wrapped in a bow, and instead of using that for fame, fortune and power, he eschews that utterly, working a real job for a paycheck.

As far as the "We don't need Superman"/"He causes all this", umm, same with any city with a Superhero.  "Batman vs. the Street Thug" lacks some, I don't know, gravitas.  You need the costumed freak to make the hero seem heroic.  And yeah, 

And don't say Batman is a better hero, he's so relentlessly driven that he seems to have become a caricature driven as much by vengeance as justice.  Yes, he's DEFINITELY smarter, more driven, but he has nothing outside his crimefighting (his Bruce Wayne persona is no more real than Matches Malone, just something he wears for convenience), while Clark has not only a career, but friendships, and love.

(I like both characters as characters, but as far as the best HERO, it's no contest)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*blink* *boggle* I find Superman interesting not in spite of, but BECAUSE of those weaknesses.  Yes, he&#8217;s built like a brick outhouse, and yet, he&#8217;s gone into fights not even expecting to return (not in the monthlys, but in the annual events), to save people that aren&#8217;t even his own.</p>
<p>Yes, he&#8217;s a moral absolutist for HIMSELF, he won&#8217;t kill, he won&#8217;t torture, but he can&#8217;t punch cancer or hunger (the nineteen-eightysomething special &#8220;Heroes Against Hunger&#8221; was something that brought tears to my eyes, Superman not able to  fix things).  And really, he holds himself to a higher standard than any normal person could hope to maintain, although he shows a degree of flexibility in holding others to that code (otherwise, the cops would have told him long ago to lay the hell off, after he&#8217;d busted&#8230;oh&#8230;half the college students in the world in one night)</p>
<p>He never EARNED the powers, that actually makes him MORE heroic.  He was given the whole world wrapped in a bow, and instead of using that for fame, fortune and power, he eschews that utterly, working a real job for a paycheck.</p>
<p>As far as the &#8220;We don&#8217;t need Superman&#8221;/&#8221;He causes all this&#8221;, umm, same with any city with a Superhero.  &#8220;Batman vs. the Street Thug&#8221; lacks some, I don&#8217;t know, gravitas.  You need the costumed freak to make the hero seem heroic.  And yeah, </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t say Batman is a better hero, he&#8217;s so relentlessly driven that he seems to have become a caricature driven as much by vengeance as justice.  Yes, he&#8217;s DEFINITELY smarter, more driven, but he has nothing outside his crimefighting (his Bruce Wayne persona is no more real than Matches Malone, just something he wears for convenience), while Clark has not only a career, but friendships, and love.</p>
<p>(I like both characters as characters, but as far as the best HERO, it&#8217;s no contest)</p>
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		<title>By: Royko</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15749</link>
		<author>Royko</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought "Red Son" was a pretty interesting take on the Superman mythos, and a pretty good story to boot.

He's certainly not my favorite superhero, but a good writer can write a good story about just about anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought &#8220;Red Son&#8221; was a pretty interesting take on the Superman mythos, and a pretty good story to boot.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s certainly not my favorite superhero, but a good writer can write a good story about just about anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: pogo</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15747</link>
		<author>pogo</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Joe here in Louisiana, Huey Long is still a touchy subject,your startling information will make Superman a bigger hero to some,and a dirty rat to others.I don't know about the Freemasons,but Huey Long was so feared by the federal goverment,that it has employed,a very nasty propaganda against him,and this state,for the last seventy years.....And now we find out Superman,could have saved the Kingfish,I should pity the Man of Steel with so many sad regrets,to be a super hero seems an awful fate indeed...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Joe here in Louisiana, Huey Long is still a touchy subject,your startling information will make Superman a bigger hero to some,and a dirty rat to others.I don&#8217;t know about the Freemasons,but Huey Long was so feared by the federal goverment,that it has employed,a very nasty propaganda against him,and this state,for the last seventy years&#8230;..And now we find out Superman,could have saved the Kingfish,I should pity the Man of Steel with so many sad regrets,to be a super hero seems an awful fate indeed&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeb</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15746</link>
		<author>Jeb</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15746</guid>
		<description>Joe, please start writing Superman comics. Those actually &lt;em&gt;would&lt;/em&gt; be interesting. 

All the fascist rightwing nonsense aside, Superman is boring because he's just too much. Too strong, too fast, too heat-visiony, super-breathy. They just stapled on so many powers that no one stands a chance. Batman has to become Iron Man every time he tangles with the guy, and even then it's a close call.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe, please start writing Superman comics. Those actually <em>would</em> be interesting. </p>
<p>All the fascist rightwing nonsense aside, Superman is boring because he&#8217;s just too much. Too strong, too fast, too heat-visiony, super-breathy. They just stapled on so many powers that no one stands a chance. Batman has to become Iron Man every time he tangles with the guy, and even then it&#8217;s a close call.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15745</link>
		<author>Joe</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 20:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15745</guid>
		<description>Well, this is the corporate history of Superman, not the hidden history.  You see, he can't reveal all the behind the scenes pressure he put on the rich and powerful.  While his public story begins in 1939, he had actually been around since the early 30s, and his most important achievements occurred then.  While many credit Roosevelt's attempts at court-packing for the Supreme Court's sudden change of heart on the New Deal in 1937, it was in fact a behind-the-scenes meeting with Justice Owen Roberts by Superman that secured his tie-breaking vote in West Coast Hotel Co. vs. Parrish.  He also made the difficult call, early in his career, to let the Freemason's murder Huey Long, a decision he always regretted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, this is the corporate history of Superman, not the hidden history.  You see, he can&#8217;t reveal all the behind the scenes pressure he put on the rich and powerful.  While his public story begins in 1939, he had actually been around since the early 30s, and his most important achievements occurred then.  While many credit Roosevelt&#8217;s attempts at court-packing for the Supreme Court&#8217;s sudden change of heart on the New Deal in 1937, it was in fact a behind-the-scenes meeting with Justice Owen Roberts by Superman that secured his tie-breaking vote in West Coast Hotel Co. vs. Parrish.  He also made the difficult call, early in his career, to let the Freemason&#8217;s murder Huey Long, a decision he always regretted.</p>
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		<title>By: Cris</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15743</link>
		<author>Cris</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15743</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; trite, anti-hero stereotypes of the 80’s that pretty much ruined superhero comics. &lt;/blockquote&gt; The tragedy of Alan Moore. He destroyed comics in order to save them.

Anthony Burch isn't completely wrong, but I do get the impression reading his article that his sense of the Superman character is based a little too much on the post-John Byrne era. The idea that Superman has no values of his own and simply upholds the right-wing values of the ruling class describes the post-modern, post-Frank Miller Kal-El that, as far as I can tell, was written by authors who didn't like him anyway.

I'm not completely denying that Clark Kent is a conservative, but he is so in the old sense: he learned his values from his small-town upbringing, and he sticks by a moral code that he genuinely believes in.  He may often be a defender of the status quo, but he isn't a tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> trite, anti-hero stereotypes of the 80’s that pretty much ruined superhero comics. </p></blockquote>
<p> The tragedy of Alan Moore. He destroyed comics in order to save them.</p>
<p>Anthony Burch isn&#8217;t completely wrong, but I do get the impression reading his article that his sense of the Superman character is based a little too much on the post-John Byrne era. The idea that Superman has no values of his own and simply upholds the right-wing values of the ruling class describes the post-modern, post-Frank Miller Kal-El that, as far as I can tell, was written by authors who didn&#8217;t like him anyway.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not completely denying that Clark Kent is a conservative, but he is so in the old sense: he learned his values from his small-town upbringing, and he sticks by a moral code that he genuinely believes in.  He may often be a defender of the status quo, but he isn&#8217;t a tool.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15741</link>
		<author>me</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 09:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a bit of that in the third film, where he destroyed the world's nuclear weapons by throwing them into the sun (who knew he was a DFH?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a bit of that in the third film, where he destroyed the world&#8217;s nuclear weapons by throwing them into the sun (who knew he was a DFH?).</p>
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		<title>By: Faaaanboying</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/04/15/whats-so-boring-bout-truth-justice-and-the-american-way/#comment-15740</link>
		<author>Faaaanboying</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DC's been going to shit across-the-board for awhile now, but for a precious time there its supreme editorial board was too busy deadening and exploiting its main brand-name characters to do anything heinous to its younger generation of superheroes.

On that note, Superboy rocked kind of hardcore for a good long while there. He had some of the issues you mention above, gaining more of them as he grew - more power, more friends, more responsibility, and all from a younger, fresh-eyed perspective. He also embodied a lot of the echo-boom generation's fears and worries. Is the science that gave us life, that furnished us with better lives before we were even born, eventually going to doom us without our ever getting a say-so? How do we deal with the boomer generation, which we were always taught to think of as warriors for truth and open justice, when we discover some of them are downright evil? 

Where do half-immigrant and half-native weirdos with no extended family and no good attachment to either parent really belong? How do they find their place? Do they ever really get a home?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DC&#8217;s been going to shit across-the-board for awhile now, but for a precious time there its supreme editorial board was too busy deadening and exploiting its main brand-name characters to do anything heinous to its younger generation of superheroes.</p>
<p>On that note, Superboy rocked kind of hardcore for a good long while there. He had some of the issues you mention above, gaining more of them as he grew - more power, more friends, more responsibility, and all from a younger, fresh-eyed perspective. He also embodied a lot of the echo-boom generation&#8217;s fears and worries. Is the science that gave us life, that furnished us with better lives before we were even born, eventually going to doom us without our ever getting a say-so? How do we deal with the boomer generation, which we were always taught to think of as warriors for truth and open justice, when we discover some of them are downright evil? </p>
<p>Where do half-immigrant and half-native weirdos with no extended family and no good attachment to either parent really belong? How do they find their place? Do they ever really get a home?</p>
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