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	<title>Comments on: No, I Don&#8217;t Hate Democracy</title>
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		<title>By: Autumnal Harvest</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/05/21/no-i-dont-hate-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-15979</link>
		<dc:creator>Autumnal Harvest</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 16:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;. . .especially how she didn’t know his middle name was Hussein.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That is shocking! How could she be so ignorant as to miss an important policy position like that? Of course, let&#039;s be fair now. There&#039;s a lot of ignorance on both sides. Many Clinton supporters seem to be unaware that Hilary Clinton is a secret lesbian who had Vince Foster killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>. . .especially how she didn’t know his middle name was Hussein.</p></blockquote>
<p>That is shocking! How could she be so ignorant as to miss an important policy position like that? Of course, let&#8217;s be fair now. There&#8217;s a lot of ignorance on both sides. Many Clinton supporters seem to be unaware that Hilary Clinton is a secret lesbian who had Vince Foster killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Doobie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doobie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 06:46:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Clintons are looking more and more like the Bushes, for the following reasons:

They think the White House is a family entitlement, and will do &lt;i&gt;anything&lt;/i&gt; to win it.

They like to create their own little realities.
(Remember how Bill Clinton tried to lawyer his way around the Lewinsky scandal, instead of either owning up to it or saying it was nobody&#039;s goddamned business? Did he honestly think the court of public opinion was going to let him off the hook?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Clintons are looking more and more like the Bushes, for the following reasons:</p>
<p>They think the White House is a family entitlement, and will do <i>anything</i> to win it.</p>
<p>They like to create their own little realities.<br />
(Remember how Bill Clinton tried to lawyer his way around the Lewinsky scandal, instead of either owning up to it or saying it was nobody&#8217;s goddamned business? Did he honestly think the court of public opinion was going to let him off the hook?)</p>
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		<title>By: Outrage Against Clinton Continues - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/05/21/no-i-dont-hate-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-15909</link>
		<dc:creator>Outrage Against Clinton Continues - Liberal Values - Defending Liberty and Enlightened Thought</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 00:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I truly believe in and that is fairness. You may not like the rules, but once you agree to them, you play by them. Hillary Clinton can&#8217;t even manage to do someting as simple as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I truly believe in and that is fairness. You may not like the rules, but once you agree to them, you play by them. Hillary Clinton can&#8217;t even manage to do someting as simple as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 17:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That aside, you’re only ambivalent about seating the delegates from MI and FL because you support Obama. No, I’m not lame enough to accuse you or anyone else of “hating democracy,” but I won’t go so far as to say that you love it, either.&lt;/blockquote&gt;Are two contests in which neither candidate participated in any way reliable indicators of the voters preference? How many Clinton or Obama supporters stayed home on election day in MI or FL because they were told that their state&#039;s results wouldn&#039;t count? An uncontested primary that nobody agreed would have any meaning is hardly an accurate measurement of voter intent, yet &lt;i&gt;those&lt;/i&gt; are the results that the Clintons are fighting to have validated. If Hillary Clinton and her supporters truly cared about the disenfranchisement of the people of MI and FL, she would have said something about it before voters went to the polls. That she only cared about the civil rights era-ish struggles of these voters &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; she won these contests just cements the impression many have that the Clintons are hypocrites who will say or do anything to get elected.

&lt;blockquote&gt;There’s tons of discussion and noise about this very issue and you know what the BEST way to make it all go away is? For Barack Obama to say “screw it, count all the votes and seat all the delegates.” He should have enough confidence in the lead he’s amassed thus far to do that. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Actually, the best way would be for the Michigan and Florida state parties to come up with delegate-apportionment plans that would accurately reflect the will of the voters, yet Clinton &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/06/uselections2008.hillaryclinton3&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rejected&lt;/a&gt; the plan to hold re-votes in FL and Mi and she &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080507/NEWS15/80507111&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;opposed&lt;/a&gt; the Michigan Democratic Party&#039;s plan to seat delegates that would include pledging &quot;uncommitted&quot; voters to Obama. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;...and especially how she didn’t know his middle name was Hussein.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ahhh...such a class act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That aside, you’re only ambivalent about seating the delegates from MI and FL because you support Obama. No, I’m not lame enough to accuse you or anyone else of “hating democracy,” but I won’t go so far as to say that you love it, either.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are two contests in which neither candidate participated in any way reliable indicators of the voters preference? How many Clinton or Obama supporters stayed home on election day in MI or FL because they were told that their state&#8217;s results wouldn&#8217;t count? An uncontested primary that nobody agreed would have any meaning is hardly an accurate measurement of voter intent, yet <i>those</i> are the results that the Clintons are fighting to have validated. If Hillary Clinton and her supporters truly cared about the disenfranchisement of the people of MI and FL, she would have said something about it before voters went to the polls. That she only cared about the civil rights era-ish struggles of these voters <i>after</i> she won these contests just cements the impression many have that the Clintons are hypocrites who will say or do anything to get elected.</p>
<blockquote><p>There’s tons of discussion and noise about this very issue and you know what the BEST way to make it all go away is? For Barack Obama to say “screw it, count all the votes and seat all the delegates.” He should have enough confidence in the lead he’s amassed thus far to do that. </p></blockquote>
<p>Actually, the best way would be for the Michigan and Florida state parties to come up with delegate-apportionment plans that would accurately reflect the will of the voters, yet Clinton <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/06/uselections2008.hillaryclinton3" rel="nofollow">rejected</a> the plan to hold re-votes in FL and Mi and she <a href="http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080507/NEWS15/80507111" rel="nofollow">opposed</a> the Michigan Democratic Party&#8217;s plan to seat delegates that would include pledging &#8220;uncommitted&#8221; voters to Obama. </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;and especially how she didn’t know his middle name was Hussein.</p></blockquote>
<p>Ahhh&#8230;such a class act.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Gutting</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad Gutting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 16:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it&#039;s ludicrous to give Obama a total of zero Michigan votes. 

That aside, you&#039;re only ambivalent about seating the delegates from MI and FL because you support Obama. No, I&#039;m not lame enough to accuse you or anyone else of &quot;hating democracy,&quot; but I won&#039;t go so far as to say that you love it, either. 

There&#039;s tons of discussion and noise about this very issue and you know what the BEST way to make it all go away is? For Barack Obama to say &quot;screw it, count all the votes and seat all the delegates.&quot; He should have enough confidence in the lead he&#039;s amassed thus far to do that. The fact that he doesn&#039;t probably leaves a foul taste in the mouths of many. Just as HRC supporters piss you off, realize that you piss off a lot of them. This goes both ways. 

Plus, for a guy who&#039;s on record for championing the whole notion of voting and for promoting the rights of voters, talking about &quot;the rules&quot; looks a little silly. Not immoral, not corrupt, not deranged--just a bit odd.

In the meantime, I&#039;m going to reflect on the conversation I had with a staunch BHO supporter who couldn&#039;t name anything that he&#039;s done and how he&#039;ll change the world simply by being idealistic, and especially how she didn&#039;t know his middle name was Hussein.

Fortunately, I don&#039;t assume that this individual represents most of Obama&#039;s camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it&#8217;s ludicrous to give Obama a total of zero Michigan votes. </p>
<p>That aside, you&#8217;re only ambivalent about seating the delegates from MI and FL because you support Obama. No, I&#8217;m not lame enough to accuse you or anyone else of &#8220;hating democracy,&#8221; but I won&#8217;t go so far as to say that you love it, either. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s tons of discussion and noise about this very issue and you know what the BEST way to make it all go away is? For Barack Obama to say &#8220;screw it, count all the votes and seat all the delegates.&#8221; He should have enough confidence in the lead he&#8217;s amassed thus far to do that. The fact that he doesn&#8217;t probably leaves a foul taste in the mouths of many. Just as HRC supporters piss you off, realize that you piss off a lot of them. This goes both ways. </p>
<p>Plus, for a guy who&#8217;s on record for championing the whole notion of voting and for promoting the rights of voters, talking about &#8220;the rules&#8221; looks a little silly. Not immoral, not corrupt, not deranged&#8211;just a bit odd.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I&#8217;m going to reflect on the conversation I had with a staunch BHO supporter who couldn&#8217;t name anything that he&#8217;s done and how he&#8217;ll change the world simply by being idealistic, and especially how she didn&#8217;t know his middle name was Hussein.</p>
<p>Fortunately, I don&#8217;t assume that this individual represents most of Obama&#8217;s camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Meyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>could be millions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>could be millions</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Meyer</title>
		<link>http://www.thetalentshow.org/2008/05/21/no-i-dont-hate-democracy/comment-page-1/#comment-15904</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 14:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE INTERNET IS THE NEW THIRD PARTY AND THE BLOGOSPHERE IS ITS POLITBUREAU, there literaly millnios of people on the net each day, SURELY YOU can find one whom YOU could respect, feel  better about voting for, be happier with in office, than THESE three.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>THE INTERNET IS THE NEW THIRD PARTY AND THE BLOGOSPHERE IS ITS POLITBUREAU, there literaly millnios of people on the net each day, SURELY YOU can find one whom YOU could respect, feel  better about voting for, be happier with in office, than THESE three.</p>
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		<title>By: darrelplant</title>
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		<dc:creator>darrelplant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 04:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;it’s worth pointing out the alienation works both ways.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Except that Clinton doesn&#039;t want to court your vote. She just expect you to vote for her because you&#039;ll have no other choice except John McCain (and maybe Bob Barr).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>it’s worth pointing out the alienation works both ways.</p></blockquote>
<p>Except that Clinton doesn&#8217;t want to court your vote. She just expect you to vote for her because you&#8217;ll have no other choice except John McCain (and maybe Bob Barr).</p>
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		<title>By: frazamatazzle</title>
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		<dc:creator>frazamatazzle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 May 2008 02:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen. I have been led to believe lately that my vote, as a white male, for Obama was the result of my sexist views or the sexist views of the media that were forced upon me. Gee, how did I miss that? Forget, of course, that I only reluctantly voted for Obama and even argued with his volunteers (I apologize) suggesting that I might vote Green because he was too flaky in my opinion regarding various issues (AIPAC, vague on non-tax economic policy, etc.). Forget of course that I refused to vote for someone who favored war with Iraq, and championed it right up until, sometime in 2007, it seemed that it just MIGHT be a political liability. I have no doubt that Hillary will make most every effort she can to ensure the Democrats lose this year UNLESS she is given what was always supposed to be hers. But yeah, I&#039;m a sexist shitbag because I didn&#039;t pick Hillary. Whatever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. I have been led to believe lately that my vote, as a white male, for Obama was the result of my sexist views or the sexist views of the media that were forced upon me. Gee, how did I miss that? Forget, of course, that I only reluctantly voted for Obama and even argued with his volunteers (I apologize) suggesting that I might vote Green because he was too flaky in my opinion regarding various issues (AIPAC, vague on non-tax economic policy, etc.). Forget of course that I refused to vote for someone who favored war with Iraq, and championed it right up until, sometime in 2007, it seemed that it just MIGHT be a political liability. I have no doubt that Hillary will make most every effort she can to ensure the Democrats lose this year UNLESS she is given what was always supposed to be hers. But yeah, I&#8217;m a sexist shitbag because I didn&#8217;t pick Hillary. Whatever.</p>
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