The Flag, Apple Pie, and Cocoa Puffs
Like Chuck Klosterman, I think Billy Joel is an underrated artist who’s completely devoid of “cool”, but that’s not what I’m interested in writing about. Instead, I’d like to highlight this introduction to the Billy Joel essay in his last book :
Several months before nineteen unsmiling people from the Middle East woke up early on a Tuesday in order to commit suicide by flying planes into tall New York office buildings, I sent out a mass e-mail to several acquaintances that focused on the concept of patriotism. At the time, “patriotism” seemed like a quaint, baffling concept; it was almost like asking people to express their feelings on the art of blacksmithing. But sometimes I like to ask people what they think about blacksmithing, too.So ANYWAY, here was the content of my e-mail: I gave everyone two potential options for a hypothetical blind date and asked them to pick who they’d prefer. The only things they knew about the first candidate was that he or she was attractive and successful. The only things they knew about the second candidate was that he or she was attractive, successful, and “extremely patriotic.” No other details were provided or could be ascertained.
Just about everyone immediately responded by selecting the first individual. They viewed patriotism as a downside. I wasn’t too surprised; in fact, I was mostly just amused by how everyone seemed to think extremely patriotic people weren’t just undatable, but totally [freaking] insane. One of them wrote that the quality of patriotism was on par with “regularly listening to Cat Stevens” and “loves Robin Williams movies.” Comparisons were made to Ted Nugent and Patrick Henry. And one especially snide fellow sent back a mass message to the entire e-mail group, essentially claiming that any woman who loved America didn’t deserve to date him, not because he hated his country but because patriotic people weren’t smart.
That last response outraged one of my friends, a thirty-one-year-old lawyer who had been the only individual in the entire group who claimed to prefer the extremely patriotic candidate to the alternative. He sent me one of the most sincerely aggravated epistles I’ve ever received, and I still recall a segment of his electronic diatribe that was painfully accurate: “You know how historians call people who came of age during World War II ‘the greatest generation’? No one will ever say that about us,” he wrote. “We’ll be ‘the cool generation.’ That’s all we’re good at, and that’s all you and your friends seem to aspire to.”
Now I’ll admit that I’d choose the candidate that doesn’t consider themselves “extremely patriotic”, but it has nothing to do with wanting to be “cool” and I definitely don’t see patriotism as a downside. The way this question is worded, “extremely patriotic” is a loaded term. More than that, however, is that the term when applied that way, is a divisive one.
Let’s take a step back and imagine this question in a different way. If you had to choose a friend between two people who are for all practical purposes alike, except for that fact that one “really loves Jesus”, who would you pick? I would choose the first, not because I see loving Jesus as a negative, but because “really loves Jesus” implies a certain level of religious devotion that I’m not comfortable with. Considering the religious makeup of our country, I see it as almost a given that anyone I meet would self-identify as a Christian. That being the case, saying that someone “really loves Jesus” isn’t done to emphasize their normality but to but to differentiate them from an already Christian majority. For that reason, my interpretation of “really loves Jesus” isn’t that the person in question is merely religious, but a zealot.
The same holds true with the original question. I consider myself “extremely patriotic”, but I’d never think to describe myself as such. To do so wouldn’t send the message that I love my country, but that I think other people don’t love the country as much as I do. If someone else was described to me as “extremely patriotic”, I would jump to the conclusion that the person in question is not necessarily a patriot, but a self-righteous nationalist. Even before 9/11, the overzealous patriot archetype was a breed of American that was used to divide people ideologically, not celebrate their common heritage. I won’t bother delving into the specifics of this stereotype, but you probably know what I’m talking about.
Of course, this all opens up a further line of questioning. Why do these hypothetical Christians and patriots bring to mind a particular right-wing variety of Christianity and patriotism? I’ve explored the religious question plenty of times on this site (most recently in “Take Back Jesus”), but the patriotism question is a little more elusive. There’s a long history of politicians of all stripes beating back opposition by questioning their opponents patriotism, but this is something that’s really intesnified in recent years and something that conservatives excell at.
Which is really just a long way of saying that, with the exception of the “exceptionally snide fellow”, I don’t think Chuck Klosterman’s friends are America-hating jerks. They’re just exhibiting a predictable reaction to a social climate that’s sought to make “patriotism” seen as a conservative value. It’s not, of course, but making that point relies upon making to careful distinction between patriotism, nationalism, and jingoism. Considering the results of last year’s election, I don’t know if the American people have a tolerance for subtlety.
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What do you think of the “patriotic” Germans of WW2? Who do you think were the decent human beings? The Germans who were unpatriotic and fought against their country or the “extremely patriotic” and “just-plain-old patriotic” Germans?
Unquestioning devotion to anything, whether religion or county or leader, is not a sign of intelligence. Humanity should come before nationality.
Comment by pat — November 18, 2005 @ 8:26 pm
“I consider myself “extremely patriotic”, but I’d never think to describe myself as such.”
?? You just did.
Comment by anonymous — November 18, 2005 @ 10:21 pm
The problem here is that the Right (through its various outlets like Fox News) has defined contemporary patriotism. The notion of patriotism has been reduced to running around with one of those yellow ribbons on your car, and getting all week-kneed when some faux country singer bellows out the national anthem at a NASCAR race.
9/11 really did change everything for a lot of people in this country. It pushed all their worst buttons.
Comment by global yokel — November 19, 2005 @ 9:32 am
Interesting post. I agree with you…being “very” patriotic or “very” religious generally means the person is “very” insufferable and lacks the ability to appreciate other people’s perspectives.
Comment by jimmarquis — November 19, 2005 @ 3:24 pm
I have a response to this post on my blog at The Idea Man.
Comment by E-Rock — November 19, 2005 @ 3:51 pm
It’s (a) the word “extremely” and (b) the fact that the person describing them thought this was an important point to make about them.
I’m patriotic - I believe in the American experiment and put real time into trying to promote it - but if you asked me or my friends to describe me in two phrases, I doubt “extremely patriotic” would be one of them.
I love my country, but most people everywhere do. I take this as a given that is unnecessary to state. That’s one thing that makes the GOP’s talking points on patriotism so reprehensible - the very idea that you would have to shout it from the rooftops that way in order for it to be true. But since they have injected this filthy meme into the atmosphere, you do have to ask what someone means by “patriotism”.
There are people who describe me as “extremely liberal”, but they just don’t realize that’s the same thing as “extremely patriotic”, since the American project is liberalism.
But if they use the word “extremely”, it either signifies that they think I talk to much about politics (i.e., I’m annoying about obsessing on the subject), or that they are significantly right-of-center and think the American project is some kind of communist plot. In other words, the very use of the word “extremely” is a red flag.
Comment by Avedon — November 20, 2005 @ 6:14 am
Extreme Patriotism! SURGE!!
Comment by Kip W — November 20, 2005 @ 4:07 pm
It all depends on your perception of “extremely patriotic”. I would consider Cindy Sheehan to be an extremely patriotic person.
The “cool generation” will be good for dissent against bullshit wars like Vietnam and Iraq.
Comment by plastic peeps — November 20, 2005 @ 7:51 pm
When I think of the people I know that are extremely religious or patriotic I am reminded of their is self-centeredness. Their zealotry is used to make themselves “special”. In reality, I find them kind of boring UNLESS I need an expert to spit out some facts for me.
Comment by Ceres — November 20, 2005 @ 10:03 pm
Greg, are you “extremely married,” or are you some kind of too-cool for marriage jerk?
Comment by Joe — November 21, 2005 @ 4:34 pm
What kind of loser goes on a blind date anyway?
Comment by mona — November 21, 2005 @ 10:20 pm
Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.
Samuel Johnson (1709-84)
Comment by Samuel Johnson — November 23, 2005 @ 12:28 am
Happy Thanksgiving
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